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Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix  | | All I was asking for is help. im not trying to make drugs/illegal drugs. I've been trying to teach myself / learn chemistry like other hobbies. but
this one would actually be important. Im like half skitso and i feel like in the future Me or one of my family members will end up with Alzheimer's or
Dimensia so I want to truly find better ways of treatment and do my own research for mental illnesses. please just trust me |
Hmmm. Someone who knows not the names of glassware or chemicals (nor how to spell dementia) is going to find treatments? Sedit,
please tell me that you don't really believe this.
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Nope not really, but I tend to give people the chance to redeem themselfs. Given that he says dementia runs in the family I guess I could see the
mispellings having there place.
My guess is hes around 14-16 years old and has had personal encounters with alzheimers and started to research drugs on the internet only to find the
countless drug synthesis all over the place and decided that MDMA would be a good place to start. Which it would be if parkinson's disease was the
issue but hes speaking of prion diseases which I don't think parkinsons is associated with in anyway.
Like I said in the first line of my post im almost certine this fellow is attempting to make MDMA because METH recipes rarely call for the use for
Dichloromethane and the likes. They call for Et2O most of the time when speaking of meth. Not to mention the dropwise addition is more then likely for
H2SO4 into a NaNO2 solution or for the dripping of a certine ketone into alcoholic Al/Hg.
So whatever the case I would suggest the opener of this thread to come completely clean as to the source of the process he wishes to reproduce.
[Edited on 23-7-2010 by Sedit]
Knowledge is useless to useless people...
"I see a lot of patterns in our behavior as a nation that parallel a lot of other historical processes. The fall of Rome, the fall of Germany — the
fall of the ruling country, the people who think they can do whatever they want without anybody else's consent. I've seen this story
before."~Maynard James Keenan
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sedit | So whatever the case I would suggest the opener of this thread to come completely clean as to the source of the process he wishes to reproduce.
[Edited on 23-7-2010 by Sedit] |
Very well said. I would feel more comfortable helping somebody who plays open cards with me. Right now, I don't want to share more than what I did
because this poster obviously does not know anything about chemistry let alone advanced organic synthesis which is what he appears to be doing. Don't
want to be the one that gives advice which causes the untrained person to become seriously injured or possibly killed.
Certain anhydrous chemistry can be very dangerous if the reaction gets exposed to moisture or is not kept under control (ie: grignards, LAH
reductions, t-butyl lithium...)
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| Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix |
I'll take the advice. I definitely won't be using ether. I decided to wait till I have more experience to do anything at home. I didn't realize how
over my head I was lol
From what I understand, I need a separatory funnel with stopcock, a hotplate/magnetic stirrer (2in1), some Erlenmeyer flasks, regular flasks, beakers,
stands, clamps, and im not sure what else
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Welcome Eclipsonix.
First of all read this:
https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=13...
Realize that making MDMA or other psychoactives (not that I am insinuating that you are) is a perfectly fine goal as long as you are interested in the
chemistry and not in monetary rewards. What ever your goal is - go ahead and see if you like that hobby, chances are good that you will soon be fed up
and do something else, but if you happen to like it, then chemistry is very fulfilling.
The one thing that is frowned upon here is the wish of getting spoon fed. Zed gave you pointers to excellent literature, now read, read, read and show
that you can work it out yourself.
In your list a lot of things are missing. Immediately spatulas, spoons, condensers, distillation equipment, chemicals, vacuum sources, pressure
equalized addition funnels, Büchner flasks & funnels, gas washing bottles come to mind. Some of these can be improvised but working with real
gear is so-much more convenient. Buy something if the need arises and soon you will have a well equipped lab (if you can afford it, that is). Ebay is
a great place to acquire cheap glassware and check for local labs closing down.
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Huh? None of you guys have had a twisted colleague/protege, that became a notorious evil, out-of-control, dangerous criminal, large-scale underground
chemist? That ended up making synthetic opiates, hurting lots and lots of people, and then turned informer to save his own skin?
Ah, the joy of it. Really makes you want to go out there, and generously share your knowledge with all that inquire.
Still, things don't usually go that way. Chemistry might be a little like kundalini yoga.
Liberation for the wise, bondage for fools.
Once a guy starts taking classes, anything can happen. His perceived world, becomes larger. Perspective shifts. Goals usually change.
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Sedit, Turd, zed, and everyone who's replied to my thread, thank you for all this advice/insight. I mean I'm really just doing exactly what you said,
I'm looking up drug synthesis online trying to find easier ones to try on my own. not mdma, or meth. nothing illegal!! just to be completely honest i
looked for a while to find research chemical (psychoactive yes, but im not at all indenting to produce it for money ever or harm to anyone but myself
really)
I just wanna experiment in making a legal recreational drug and see if it all works out.
I understand I could kill myself and stuff, but I also could skateboarding or driving a car/ taking anything really.
You guys seem really cool now and ur just asking for honesty so I just wanna be honest with you then. Im really not trying to make meth or mdma. Im
just doing a project and would love for it to work out lol
I really do feel passionate about chemistry and the science community more than anything else. I really do have my ultimate goal being to find better
treatments for mental disorders and have a job doing research for my future. Everything I said about myself is true, and I started studying chemistry
just 5months ago everyday pretty much using chem4kids.com at first, then "Graduating lol" to mark bishops introductory. I'm on chapter 4.
I'm sorry I wasn't up front. I just didn't know
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| Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix | I just wanna experiment in making a legal recreational drug and see if it all works out.
I'm sorry I wasn't up front. I just didn't know |
That would be ethanol, caffeine and nicotine. Why would you
want to make any of those? All easily available, without gassing ether with HCl or any of the other chemical operations you asked about. And your
other thread about buying HBr: that makes a mean martini.
You still aren't upfront. Even worse, you seem to think that we are stupid.
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No seriously man I'll tell you anything, just accept that I'm being honest. And screwwww cigarettes, and alcohol. I said research chemicals like MDAT
, http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/
I want to make 4methylmethcathinone as my experiment. I just didn't want to tell anybody because people would just disrespect and assume too much. The
chemical is known big time for a giant trade from China to the UK and it's recreational use. I just didn't want anyone to think I wanna *mass produce
it* and make money, because I don't. I just had tried the substance before and thought it might be something to try and make since i wouldn't be
doing anything illegal. please understand.. I mean just dont put me down
heres the synthesis i decided to try instead of the one including ethers. i dont wanna blow myself up
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To a solution of 38mL (250mmol, 37g) 4-methylpropiphenone in 125mL glacial acetic acid was added 1mL 48% HBr followed by, over the course of an hour,
14mL (275mmol, 44g) elemental bromine. The reaction mixture, which changed to a nice pink colour during addition, was stirred for a further 1.5 hours,
then slowly poured into 500mL ice-cold water, with swirling after each careful addition. The cream-coloured precipitated product was taken up in 200mL
dichloroethane, and the aqueous layer extracted with 100mL dichloroethane. The combined extracts were washed with 2x250mL cold water, then dried over
magnesium sulfate. The solvent was removed under vacuum, taking care to keep the temperature below 50oC, leaving a turquoise oil,
2-bromo-(4’-methylphenyl)-propan-1-one, which solidified almost immediately on cooling, into sparkling waxy crystals.
(2 of 2)
To a stirred solution of 11.4g (50mmol) 2-bromo-4’-methylpropiophenone in 25mL toluene held at 20oC was added, over 5 minutes, 6.2g methylamine in
35mL water (prepared by adding a solution of 7.9g (198mmol) sodium hydroxide in 20mL cold water to a cooled solution of 13.5g methylamine HCl in 15mL
water). The mixture was allowed to stir for a further 16 hours at 20-25oC, then was poured into 150mL ice-cold water. The toluene layer was separated
off, and the remaining freebase extracted with 2x20mL toluene. The combined toluene extracts were washed with 3x25mL water, and then acidified with
2x15mL dilute HCl. The combined acidic extracts then washed twice with 25mL toluene and evaporated under vacuum to dryness, allowing an off-white
solid to form. 20mL acetone was added and was heated to boiling, forming a homogenous solution, which was then slowly cooled, allowing crystals to
precipitate. The crystals were filtered and rinsed with around 100mL ice cold acetone.
Yield: 4.8g (45%) |
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and in case you still don't believe me, here's the one including the ether.
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a-Bromination
To a flask containing 1.0 g of 4-methylpropiophenone (6.7 mmol) in 22 mL of glacial acetic acid was added to 1.1 g of bromine (6.8 mmol) dropwise and
stirred for an hour. The reaction mixture was then poured into cold water and the 40-methyl-2-bromopropiophenone oil layer was removed. The oil layer
was then washed with a sodium carbonate solution. The 40-methyl-2-bromopropiophenone crystallized out at 0 degrees C and was recrystallized from ether
[1].
4-Methylmethcathinone
1.0 g of the 40-methyl-2-bromopropiophenone (4.4 mmol)was dissolved in 30 mL of CH2Cl2 and added dropwise over an hour to a stirred solution of 0.3 g
ofmethylamine hydrochloride (4.4 mmol) and 1.0 g of triethylamine (9 mmol) in 50 mL of CH2Cl2. After the addition was complete the mixture was stirred
at room temperature for 4 h. 100 mL of aqueous HCl was added and the aqueous layerwas removed andwashedwith 40 mL of CH2Cl2. The aqueous layer wasmade
alkaline with a solution of NaOH and the amine was extracted into 2 x 50 mL of CH2Cl2. The CH2Cl2 was evaporated under vacuum and the resultant oil
was dissolved in anhydrous ether. HCl gas was bubbled through the ether to produce the 4-methylmethcathinone hydrochloride. The hydrochloride salt was
recrystallised from iPrOH. The yield of 4- methylmethcathinone hydrochloride was approximately 30% |
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bromine
dicloroethane
toluene
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seriously this is not good for your healt, and all the other chemical you want get...
man this is not for you
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In the U.S., the material remains marginally legal. Provided you don't sell it. That won't last. As it is, if you manufacture it, and sell it for
human use, you could face a long, long, prison sentence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone
Just looks like speed to me. Cheap dangerous speed. Poorly understood.
Personally, I would recommend against it.
Ooops! There I go again, wasting my breath. Oh, well.
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| Quote: Originally posted by entropy51 | | Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix | I just wanna experiment in making a legal recreational drug and see if it all works out.
I'm sorry I wasn't up front. I just didn't know |
That would be ethanol, caffeine and nicotine. Why would you
want to make any of those? All easily available, without gassing ether with HCl or any of the other chemical operations you asked about. And your
other thread about buying HBr: that makes a mean martini.
You still aren't upfront. Even worse, you seem to think that we are stupid. |
I seriously just wanna try making anything that's in my ability and can follow up with a bio-essay- haha
It's not that bad of an idea to use the idea as a motive to learn as fast as possible.
Within the time of starting this thread to now I have all my questions answered thanks to whom have helped.
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| Quote: Originally posted by zed | In the U.S., the material remains marginally legal. Provided you don't sell it. That won't last. As it is, if you manufacture it, and sell it for
human use, you could face a long, long, prison sentence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone
Just looks like speed to me. Cheap dangerous speed. Poorly understood.
Personally, I would recommend against it.
Ooops! There I go again, wasting my breath. Oh, well.
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Yea man don't worry your not wasting your breathe. I appreciate what you've put to my thread so far lol.
Yea the stuff looks like speed, it's definitely chemically similar, however the effects are much shorter in duration. The drug is a lot less potent
(200mg oral rather than 30mg) It definitely seems so far to be much less neruotoxic than MDMA and METH but effects being as good if not better. And
yea I wouldn't sell it, I mean you can tell already that I would never figure out how to scale anything up. The yield is horrible, the cost is pretty
bad, I just; like i said, see it as a project that's doable until now really
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So we started out as a compassionate lad who just wanted to cure his gradma's Alzheimers: | Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix | | All I was asking for is help. im not trying to make drugs/illegal drugs. I've been trying to teach myself / learn chemistry like other hobbies. but
this one would actually be important. Im like half skitso and i feel like in the future Me or one of my family members will end up with Alzheimer's or
Dimensia so I want to truly find better ways of treatment and do my own research for mental illnesses. please just trust me
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But we seem to have gone around the block to being just another tweaker who promises not to sell his stuff:
| Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix |
Yea the stuff looks like speed, it's definitely chemically similar, however the effects are much shorter in duration. The drug is a lot less potent
(200mg oral rather than 30mg) It definitely seems so far to be much less neruotoxic than MDMA and METH but effects being as good if not better. And
yea I wouldn't sell it, I mean you can tell already that I would never figure out how to scale anything up. The yield is horrible, the cost is pretty
bad, I just; like i said, see it as a project that's doable until now really |
You don't seem very
trustworthy, to say the least.
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It's none of my (nor anyone else's) business what your target molecule is, so quit being defensive. Who cares what the whiners think? But seriously,
mephedrone better than methamphetamine or MDMA? You must be kidding. It's a cheap speed knock-off with the only "advantage" of being somewhat legal
and available to the unwashed masses.
Honestly, if I were you, I would go after for example the mescaline, escaline, proscaline, allylscaline class of compounds from syringaldehyde or
vanillin. Or the 2C-X class of compounds from hydroquinone. Much more difficult but also much more worthwhile. I haven't checked the legality, so
proceed at your own risk.
Or make something new, for example take some inspiration from here: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=70... . The possibilities are endless and there are better things than mephedrone. But
first of all learn the basics. You are not ready to produce chemicals intended for ingestion. Even if it is only yourself.
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If you approach the problem correctly, the 2C-X class of compounds may actually be easier to make. A lot easier. But, that's another issue.
Over the course of time, most of the chemists in the world (even the BadBoy chemists), have concluded that making speed is a poor idea. MDMA is
barely tolerable, and Methamphetamine is way out of bounds.
The destructive effects of such materials have been well known for about forty years.
Having seen the effect that this stuff has on people, it has become a matter of conscience, for most of us, to NOT produce speed. Aside from the long
prison terms imposed, it hurts people.
In this era, the major manufacturers and distributors of speed, are folks that don't give a shit. The Mexican Drug Cartels, Outlaw Bikers, and other
Organized Crime Types. Now, you can rub shoulders with these folks if you want to, but I'm pretty sure you won't like it.
Making a few grams of this stuff might not be very dangerous. Start making more, and trouble will develop quickly.
Consider your own self preservation first. How are you personally going to do, with an endless supply of potent, addicting drugs at your disposal?
You like this stuff! You like it a lot. Bad sign.
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| Quote: Originally posted by zed | Making a few grams of this stuff might not be very dangerous. Start making more, and trouble will develop quickly.
Consider your own self preservation first. How are you personally going to do, with an endless supply of potent, addicting drugs at your disposal?
You like this stuff! You like it a lot. Bad sign. |
Who talked about making more than a few 100 mg to a few g? Working on a (semi-)micro scale has the advantage of being able to use methods that are a
hassle on larger scales (e.g. Al/Hg, KMnO4). If my peers and I were unemployed, your concern might be justified, but the way it is I plain
and simply have no time and no interest in taking speed. I hear in the US it's common to go to work wired, but this is 100% unthinkable for me.
(Meth)amphetamine is a nice example of a drug where the media are at least partly responsible for the problem. Paint it as the drug straight out of
hell and people will become interested in it.
BTW: Mephedrone has the negative aspects of speed (the cheap rush, the push to redose) but none of the clarity. For me personally a completely
unnecessary molecule.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix | | Yea the stuff looks like speed, it's definitely chemically similar, however the effects are much shorter in duration. The drug is a lot less potent
(200mg oral rather than 30mg) It definitely seems so far to be much less neruotoxic than MDMA and METH but effects being as good if not better. And
yea I wouldn't sell it, I mean you can tell already that I would never figure out how to scale anything up. The yield is horrible, the cost is pretty
bad, I just; like i said, see it as a project that's doable until now really |
I have nothing against young people becoming interested in chemistry due to drugs, but I do think that any such person needs to do is realize a few
basic things:
a.) Chemistry is a science! This means you need to completely change the way you currently think and do a personal cognitive revolution. You need to
start using the scientific method for anything you claim, anything you read, anything you interpret and refer to every source you use. (Example: Just
because there is no study about the neurotoxicity of mephedrone it does not mean it is less neurotoxic than MDMA or methamphetamine. Learn to
differentiate deduction from induction!)
b.) Forget wishful thinking! Just because you have some information about how some compound can be synthesized, it does not mean you actually can
synthesize it. Neither is enough to have all the equipment and chemicals required. You also need the skills and the understanding of the process, and
these takes training and learning. (Example: You don't even know the terminology used in the procedures, and your wishful thinking got you so
overwhelmed that you believe you can proceed regardless of this deficit. Behind those words you don't understand, there are skills and knowledge
hidden, of which you know not enough to even comprehend at what level of cluelessness you currently are.)
c.) Realize what you don't even know of not knowing. There are worlds around you that you are not even remotely aware of. (Example: You think
mephedrone is a worthy goal? Get serious and give up on naivety! That drug was not sold because being particularly good, it was sold because it is
ridiculously cheap to produce and because it is a stimulant, therefore attractive for the ignorant masses. You just happened to be one individual in
that mass of naive people that come across that drug.)
I think if you seriously read the replies in this thread, that you should by now understand how to approach your new hobby. You need to learn how to
learn, then learn, then practice and then do things - and not the other way around like you insist. First read about the scientific method, then stick
to it religiously, then read about basic chemistry, then do some basic experiments... That's the way to open the doors on the way to your goal, and on
the way you will find the goal changes to be more rewarding.
And forget about mephedrone and any of the so called "research chemicals". Just because something is legal it does not mean that it is safe. Actually
the opposite can commonly be more true, given that illegal drugs at least have been studied and tested by the statistically relevant masses. Remember
that drugs are commonly not prohibited according to the health hazard they bring, but according to their appearance on the black market, economic or
political reasons, due to their addiction potential, social abuse potential, or nowadays even without any serious argumentation. Actually the medical
reasons can be the least relevant. With so many compounds more interesting than mephedrone, it is so immensely stupid to chose it as a target while at
the same time trying to convince us that you are here because chemistry is your hobby. Mephedrone is after all just a stimulant.
…there is a human touch of the cultist “believer” in every theorist that he must struggle against as being
unworthy of the scientist. Some of the greatest men of science have publicly repudiated a theory which earlier they hotly defended. In this lies their
scientific temper, not in the scientific defense of the theory. - Weston La Barre (Ghost Dance, 1972)
Read the The ScienceMadness Guidelines!
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And cancer, maybe...
| Quote: | It may be carcinogenic, as it has been linked to cancer of the lungs, liver, and pancreas in laboratory animals.[9] Dichloromethane crosses the
placenta. Fetal toxicity in women who are exposed to it during pregnancy however has not been proven.[10] In animal experiments it was fetotoxic at
doses that were maternally toxic but no teratogenic effects were seen.[9]
In many countries products containing dichloromethane must carry labels warning of its health risks.
In the European Union, the European Parliament voted in 2009 to ban the use of dichloromethane in paint-strippers for consumers and many
professionals.[11] (However, dichloromethane-based stripper was still available as of June 2010.) |
Although, at the moment, almost everything appears to be a carcinogen until proven otherwise. I'd like to see that on the NFPA704 rating system, a
number for the carcinogenic potential.
I don't mind what the specific question is about, and I appreciate the OP is attempting to be discrete, but DJF, that is screaming one thing to me.
What does worry me is what someone would be doing making those kinds of things and needing advice on how to heat / stir something or separate it.
Couple that with subsequent question about gassing something with HCl(g) and compare the levels of skill required.
Again, I don't mind the general discussion of those chemicals. But I prefer to see it come from someone who implies they have some idea what they're
doing.
I also agree that, if you want advice on doing that and it's nothing to do with drugs, why not post the entire workup you wish to run, since the
substrates may change the advice you're given?
This is a cookalong request.
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Oh god, I just read what he's after... mephedrone!
I tried some of that whilst it was still legal to buy it in the UK; just before it was made illegal actually, thinking "Ooooo, they won't shut up
about this on Radio 4, wonder what it's like"
Utter shit.
I am virtually certainly it deserved a banning. There are waaaay too many odd effects, like intense headaches and subcutaneous bleeding. When I took
it, the 'effects' where almost identical to what I felt when I had a migraine that made me throw up within minutes or when I fell off my bike and hit
a brick wall with my head, temporarily loosing vision in one eye for a few hours. Both of those, particularly the latter, can be caused by excessive
pressure on the brain (osmotic / swelling / blood etc). Compared to mephedrone, they even have similar 'visuals', indicating potentially damaging
conditions in the brain tissue; not synaptic level distortions. Add to that the raised blood pressures of mephedrone, intense headaches and strange
purple patches or bleeding and you have a fairly good link to a suggestion of how it creates the 'visuals'.
I also ate mountains of magic mushrooms before they became illegal to buy - towards half ounces of them dry in one go, multiples of what most people
are okay with. Never had a single problem.
One strong nights worth of mephedrone and months later I'm noticing colour distortions on text at the sides of my vision and wondering if that's some
trace of some brain damage it's left me with.
Not worth it at all. Just have a 'mate' smack you over the head with a frying pan. Lots cheaper, lots easier, similar result. It is bin worthy
rubbish.
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| Quote: | | Quote: Originally posted by Eclipsonix |
From what I understand, I need a separatory funnel with stopcock, a hotplate/magnetic stirrer (2in1), some Erlenmeyer flasks, regular flasks, beakers,
stands, clamps, and im not sure what else |
dont forget a water aspirator/vacuum pump
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Mephedrone is pretty awesome if you don't redose on it like a fiend, which takes a bit of discipline. I never got the same effects from it as peach.
Did you like eat 10 grams of mephedrone over the course of a week? I noticed a weird blury mass in the center of my vision, but it went away in a day
or two.
Additionally, there is nothing wrong with methamphetamine so long you don't binge on it. I don't think any drug is bad so long its used in a
responsible manner. I think that people develop drug problems once they start using drugs for anything other then recreational fun. I can't speak for
the people on wet dreams that smoke meth therapeutically. Treat a drug like a fun ride in a sports car on a free Saturday. And poly drug use is
fucking awesome.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Chainhit222 | Mephedrone is pretty awesome if you don't redose on it like a fiend, which takes a bit of discipline. I never got the same effects from it as peach.
Did you like eat 10 grams of mephedrone over the course of a week? I noticed a weird blury mass in the center of my vision, but it went away in a day
or two.
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That's what I got as well, and what bothered me about it. I know exactly what tripping looks like with lots of different things, but that isn't right;
the fixed, continuous, blurry nature.
Some of the words you use make me think you saw something very similar to me.
The thing I predominantly saw was something permanently fixed to the centre of my field of vision, and it stayed there for a long time. There were
colour distortions and neon colours, but again, nothing like synaptical style tripping. The flashing neon, simple colours are not like tripping
either, they're like brain trauma.
The pattern looked as if I'd been staring at one of those circus spirally things the joker would use to hyonotize people with. The kind that, when you
look away, everything in the central patch seems to continue waving. It's a persistence of vision trick, like staring at the floor for ages as you're
walking along, then looking up and the horizon seems to move away as your eyes refocus.
At first I thought, this is interesting and waited for it to get more exciting. 18h later I was thinking... "Fucking hell this is annoying!".
Those effects, as I say I have strong suspicion, are not being caused by synaptic level activity, but by generalized distress.
I would give it some credit in that they only appeared after I took large amount of it. It was in no way addictive for me, I just found it annoying
the way it wore off in no time and didn't seem to be doing much that I considered interesting. I thought taking it faster would increase the
interesting effects. It didn't, they stayed the same and were vastly outran by the negatives, which became significant and tiresome. When it ran out,
I didn't want anymore.
Think I took 2g in about 12 - 18h.
My sense of balance was absolutely wrecked, even a day or two later. During and immediately afterwards, my eyes would drop in out out of focus to a
terrible degree and for long durations. Blocks of text would change colour or words and sentences would look like the front colour had been changed,
or a highlight colour applied.
The visual distortions are too wide spread and general. That's not what would happen if signals were being distorted at the synapses. The patterns are
too simple, it's trauma of some kind. I've experienced genuine brain trauma from impacts and I've tripped a lot, so I can reference the two first
hand. Mephedrone belongs with the first.
Suffice it to say, I wouldn't take it again if someone gave it to me for free.
It's up to something nasty.
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| Quote: Originally posted by peach | | Quote: Originally posted by Chainhit222 | Mephedrone is pretty awesome if you don't redose on it like a fiend, which takes a bit of discipline. I never got the same effects from it as peach.
Did you like eat 10 grams of mephedrone over the course of a week? I noticed a weird blury mass in the center of my vision, but it went away in a day
or two.
[Edited on 27-7-2010 by Chainhit222] |
That's what I got as well, and what bothered me about it. I know exactly what tripping looks like with lots of different things, but that isn't right;
the fixed, continuous, blurry nature.
Some of the words you use make me think you saw something very similar to me.
The thing I predominantly saw was something permanently fixed to the centre of my field of vision, and it stayed there for a long time. There were
colour distortions and neon colours, but again, nothing like synaptical style tripping. The flashing neon, simple colours are not like tripping
either, they're like brain trauma.
The pattern looked as if I'd been staring at one of those circus spirally things the joker would use to hyonotize people with. The kind that, when you
look away, everything in the central patch seems to continue waving. It's a persistence of vision trick, like staring at the floor for ages as you're
walking along, then looking up and the horizon seems to move away as your eyes refocus.
At first I thought, this is interesting and waited for it to get more exciting. 18h later I was thinking... "Fucking hell this is annoying!".
Those effects, as I say I have strong suspicion, are not being caused by synaptic level activity, but by generalized distress.
I would give it some credit in that they only appeared after I took large amount of it. It was in no way addictive for me, I just found it annoying
the way it wore off in no time and didn't seem to be doing much that I considered interesting. I thought taking it faster would increase the
interesting effects. It didn't, they stayed the same and were vastly outran by the negatives, which became significant and tiresome. When it ran out,
I didn't want anymore.
Think I took 2g in about 12 - 18h.
My sense of balance was absolutely wrecked, even a day or two later. During and immediately afterwards, my eyes would drop in out out of focus to a
terrible degree and for long durations. Blocks of text would change colour or words and sentences would look like the front colour had been changed,
or a highlight colour applied.
The visual distortions are too wide spread and general. That's not what would happen if signals were being distorted at the synapses. The patterns are
too simple, it's trauma of some kind. I've experienced genuine brain trauma from impacts and I've tripped a lot, so I can reference the two first
hand. Mephedrone belongs with the first.
Suffice it to say, I wouldn't take it again if someone gave it to me for free.
It's up to something nasty.
[Edited on 27-7-2010 by peach] |
I get a very similar blur if I really push myself sprinting. I think it has to do with dopamine or w/e being released in such massive amounts. 2 grams
is alot man, I was having trouble sleeping for a day after I used like 600 or so milligrams in a binge, its an annoying drug because the peak wears
off so quickly. IMO 2 gram's of mephedrone is like hammering a bottle of vodka and complaining of a hang over the next day 
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| Quote: Originally posted by Chainhit222 | Mephedrone
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I get a very similar blur if I really push myself sprinting. I think it has to do with dopamine or w/e being released in such massive amounts. 2 grams
is alot man, I was having trouble sleeping for a day after I used like 600 or so milligrams in a binge, its an annoying drug because the peak wears
off so quickly. IMO 2 gram's of mephedrone is like hammering a bottle of vodka and complaining of a hang over the next day
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As someone who used to go out running every single night until I was sick, in sub zero temperatures and rain, I am well acquainted with those feelings
too. I used to absolutely hate running and would walk the cross countries at school. Then got so into it I literally couldn't stand still and would be
constantly bobbing up and down or milling around, and waking up in the middle of the night covered in sweat from my metabolism cooking away; girls
would move off me in bed because I was baking hot all the time. Then I managed to wear out the groove for the tendon in my ankle, making it impossible
to keep doing that. I spiraled down catastrophically when I lost that outlet.
That much is a fairly special amount to take, I took 500 to 750mg in one dose, after eating the rest of it over 12h. And I do take the point about the
vodka similarity. But something about it just seemed wrong to me, some quality to it.
I felt kind of ripped off by it. Like some fancy car showroom guy who pretends to be everything and is actually a wanker who can't do anything.
The visuals are a complete joke. Comparing it to mushrooms, it's like a pirate copy of a cheesy porno, made on someone's VHS camcoder in the cinema,
in 1980, copied 300 times and then compressed at the lowest bitrate possible into a fractured torrent.
Anothing that bothers me about is like you say, I didn't find myself itching to take more of it, but I'm sure a lot of people do when the positive
effects suddenly nose dive to nowhere. It was doing that which ended up with me sat in my chair for 12h in the same position, not really enjoying it
and getting annoyed.
Hmmmm, another way to describe those doses... it's like when you get really drunk and your vision starts to blur and slide. With alcohol, soon after
you'll fall asleep. With this, it'll keep you awake and be permanently fixed to the centre of your vision. And be hanging around days later, or
potentially weeks to months I suspect for myself. I've never had something do that. I don't like it and I don't want to repeat it.
If someone's that eager to try some drugs, find some E. Probably a lot safer and certainly far, far, far superior.
Alternatively, paint tiny airfix kits and fly them around going "nnnnnnnnnrrrrRRrnnnn pew pew pew!".
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