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Diethylene glycol dinitrate
I recently found some Pure Diethylene glycol at home and thought I would do a little bit of research on it because the name just sounded like
something good and I didnt know much about it.....
I found a couple of different link with info on it and I found info on Diethylene glycol dinitrate.... Now all the info Ive read on it contradict it
self by saying
"While chemically similar to a number of powerful high explosives, pure diethylene glycol dinitrate is extremely hard to initiate."
But also
"Diethylene glycol dinitrate is categorize as a High Explosive equal to NG"
So is it something good to keep around...or is this a not really worth keeping chemical ....?
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Chemistry and Technology of Explosives (Volume II) by Tadeusz Urbanski has some good information about this compound. It's also quite a reputable
source, so well, I would put good faith that it would be pretty accurate. Particularly, take a look at pages 149 - 155 which deals with this compound
exclusively .
The commercial name is more commonly used, thus diethylene glycol dinitrate is commonly referred to in the book as dinitrodiglycol.
Excerpts relating to your question:
Page 150:
"The chemical stability of dinitrodiglycol resembles that of nitroglycerine. Heated with water it undergoes hydrolysis more slowly than
nitroglycerin..."
Page 151:
"Dinitrodiglycol is incomparably less sensitive to shock than nitroglycerine, in this respect approaching nitrocompounds, such as TNT".
Page 152:
"Dinitrodiglycol detonates either at a high velocity of 6800m/sec, or at a low velocity of 1800-2300m/sec. Its ability to detonate is less than
nitroglycerine".
There's more information there, I merely took out some key sentences that I saw that I thought would help you with your answer. It's definitely
powerful and it may not be as easy to intiate as NG, but it's definitely not too far behind.
Urbanski also states it is used widely in the explosives industry for a number of reasons, so I even more so doubt that it would be very difficult to
intiate. There's further information in Fedoroff's "Encyclopedia of Explosives and related items". A video on youtube has someone who detonates 15ml
ethylene glycol dinitrate with "1g MHN/EGDN 70/30 plastic explosive (booster) plus 0.25g silver acetylide/nitrate (initiator)".
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Quote: Originally posted by FLchem10  | | I recently found some Pure Diethylene glycol at home and thought I would do a little bit of research on it because the name just sounded like
something good and I didnt know much about it..... |
Phokion Naou'm
Nitroglycerin and Nitroglycerine Explosives
English translation : The Williams & Wilkins Company
1928.
Reprinted, Angriff Press 1998.
Has a good description of nitroglycol
Byda there are also being glycol mononitrate.
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I made this synthesis some time ago... It is as easy as nitroglycerine and less sensitive.
My batch was really small so i never detonate it with a det cap, but when I try an hammer test it never detonate...
To help the detonation with the hammer test I added some oxygen to get the best OB.
The two tests (one with kclo3 and the other with nitroglycerine) prove that dinitrodiglycol is almost as powerful as nitroglycerine went the OB is
perfect, but less sensitive to impact.
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| Quote: Originally posted by The WiZard is In | | Quote: Originally posted by FLchem10 | | I recently found some Pure Diethylene glycol at home and thought I would do a little bit of research on it because the name just sounded like
something good and I didnt know much about it..... |
Phokion Naou'm
Nitroglycerin and Nitroglycerine Explosives
English translation : The Williams & Wilkins Company
1928.
Reprinted, Angriff Press 1998.
Has a good description of nitroglycol
Byda there are also being glycol mononitrate. |
Completely different gear; that is glycol dinitrate.
He is talking about diglycol dinitrate which is a diglycol ether with nitrate ester groups on the ends!
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| Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel |
Completely different gear; that is glycol dinitrate.
He is talking about diglycol dinitrate which is a diglycol ether with nitrate ester groups on the ends! |
Picky-picky-picky. What's a few atoms among friends?!
If it DEGN you be wanting —
  
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Yea I haven't tried to make NG or DEGN for that matter because the fact that it kinda makes me nervous. I meen my home lab is good and I have
everything one would need to be safe and synthesize something like NG I just like to make this kinda stuff for chem. purposes but I usually test a
small bit to make sure I did it right but testing even a small bit of NG......yea really dont know a way to do that...Ive heard a little amount of NG
is still pretty strong...
What would be a way to test a small amount of either ti see if I made it correctly
ALSO thanks for that bit of info....seems like that book would be a good one to get...Ive been looking for a good book on Energetic Materials
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Picky-picky-picky. What's a few atoms among friends?!
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Ricki-picki-tavi!
A few atoms are the difference between potassium chloride, potassium hypochlorite, potassium chlotite, potassium chlorate and potassium perchlorate.
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Monkey — typewriters and DEGN
| Quote: Originally posted by FLchem10 | | I recently found some Pure Diethylene glycol at home and thought I would do a little bit of research on it because the name just sounded like
something good and I didnt know much about it |
This reminds me of the line from the 1959 movie On the Beach
about the infinite number of monkeys .... If you have enough books
eventual you will find something of use in them.
   
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He hasn't posted in five and a half years - rikkitikkitavi, that is.
I hope he's OK. . .
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| Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel | | Quote: |
Picky-picky-picky. What's a few atoms among friends?!
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Ricki-picki-tavi!
A few atoms are the difference between potassium chloride, potassium hypochlorite, potassium chlotite, potassium chlorate and potassium perchlorate.
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Piffle. If'n you put a atom in the wrong place in your phosphorus
compound you go from a pesticide to a serious chemical warfare agent.
djh
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Professor Edgeworth of All Soul's avoided
conversational English, persistently using words
and phrases one expects to meet only in books.
One evening, Lawrence [the famous Lawrence of
Arabia] returned from a visit to London, and
Edgeworth met him at the gate. "Was it very
caliginous in the metropolis?"
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Apparently the insensitivity of the nitrate ester is a property that is
not also characteristic of the perchlorate ester of Diethylene glycol.
Note that it is virtually two ethyl perchlorate molecules joined and
with better oxygen balance.
{C2H4(ClO4)}2O => 2 CO2 + 2 CO + 3H2O + 2 HCl
The mono perchlorate is discussed here
@ The WiZard is In
Your posted exerpt on DEGN appears to have better image quality than
the official available copy below, if possible post your copy as a pdf.
Engineering Design Handbook AMCP 706 - 177
Explosives Seriies : Properties of Explosives of Military Interest
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/AD764340
redirects to :
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD764340&Locatio...
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Piffle. If' you put a atom in the wrong place in your phosphorus
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| Quote: Originally posted by franklyn |
Your posted exerpt on DEGN appears to have better image quality than
the official available copy below, if possible post your copy as a pdf.
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I scanned my original copy at 600 DPI, reduced to
800 across, imported into MS Word, saved as a PDF
which dobe attached.
For faster service next time - staple a US $50 bill to the
back of your request.
NB — I do not live in the antipodes.
djh
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Do you believe that the sciences would ever had
arisen and became great if there had not beforehand
been magicians, alchemists, astrologers and WiZards,
who thirsted and hungered after abscondite and
forbidden powers?
Friedrich Nietzsche
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft, IV, 1886
Attachment: DEGN AMCP.pdf (365kB)
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He is off down the yellow brick road again...
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@ The WiZard is In
I had hoped for the whole publication but as you are doing
this piecemeal from a hard copy I thank you for your effort.
Irfanview can rotate scanned images to verticle after you
reduce Gamma to bolden the print and then sharpen by
typically 15 or 20 and save as greyscale if no highlights
are to be added later. MS Paint allows you to trim away
and erase irregular black borders , save as 16 bit bitmap
then save that as *.gif , makes a minimal file size if saved
as an image format. * NOTE * that conversion to * PDF at
least with the free utility I use requires you to do so as a
bitmap image to obtain the lowest file size comparable to
the gif image size. For some reason converting to PDF as
GIF blows the file size up to bitmap proportions (very big)
Another free utility that will clean up the bluriness seen in
Jpeg is called Absolute Denoiser available here _
http://absolutedenoiser.free.fr/
It's default settings are usually adequate , although a bit
tedious to use as it must be re-opened with each image.
No batch mode as with Irfan.
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Attachment: DEGN nitation.pdf (381kB)
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