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[*] posted on 4-8-2023 at 21:39
Do I retain stereochemistry, alcohol>tosylate>halide?


I know I retain stereo-chemistry going from alcohol to tosylate. And I know I retain stereo-chemistry going from PRIMARY alcohol to alkyl halide. But do I retain stereo chemistry going from a primary alcohol to the tosylate then to the alkyl halide? Since the tosylate attaches at the oxygen I feel that when the iodine replaces the oxygen that an inversion occurs???? Or no? Could someone please help me here. Thank you (I'm aware this is a dumb question I should know).


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[*] posted on 6-8-2023 at 21:42


It’s an inversion.

When substituting a functional group, it will either racemize due to a carbocation intermediate, or invert due to following an SN2 mechanism.

Primary carbocations (as one would expect for an SN1 mechanism) are quite unstable. Therefore, it is more likely that the reaction will proceed via an SN2 mechanism and invert the stereochemistry.

The reason tosylate retains the stereochemistry Of the alcohol is because the alcohol isn’t being substituted by OTs. Rather, it is acting as a nucleophile and attacking TsCl
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[*] posted on 7-8-2023 at 05:28


SF is correct, but more importantly, there’s no stereochemistry to speak of if you’re working with a primary alcohol! Unless you have an asymmetric secondary alcohol, you don’t have a stereocenter.



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[*] posted on 7-8-2023 at 11:41


Good point Texium, I had overlooked the fact that **the carbon of** primary alcohols can’t be chiral.

Edit: technically this is not 100% true either, as one could possible have a compound like fluorochlorobromomethanol, which would be chiral, though unlikely to exist.

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[*] posted on 7-8-2023 at 12:28


Well, they can be, but the stereocentre will be in another part of the molecule, and won't be affected by the reaction of the alcohol.

For example, (R)-2-methyl-1-butanol will give (R)-1-bromo-2-methylbutane.




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