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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 10:46


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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 12:14


Injections aren't bad, but my dentist jabbed one of said roots with the blade once, and I certainly felt that. Despite obviously having the blade tip very close to the nerve when injecting, I could still feel shooting stinging in my arm as he was drilling the tooth, so I had an extra two syringes worth. :D


I had a recent visit to the dentist for a cracked tooth and I had to have a few more injections than normal. My dentist was almost astounded how much more lidocaine he had to give me. I got a shot in the back of the mouth and then many in my lower back jaw, an area said to be the hardest to numb because of all the bone I was reading because I wanted to know why some people don't get the same pain relief. I started to think of the movie Marathon Man - what pain.
I was also interested in knowing more about how epinephrine with lidocaine works and if dentists are more hesitant to use it.
http://www.drugs.com/pro/lidocaine-and-epinephrine-injection...
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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 12:23


I've had quite a few anaesthetics not work very well also (like having the sole of my foot stitched and a bandage removed that also pulled one of my nails off with it), where I could easily still feel stinging through it, not just manipulation. The root of one of my molars had gotten infected and it needed removing at one point. I was honestly quite worried this one wasn't going to work either, so was sat out in the waiting room as the place was closing wobbling my tooth around to try and get it loose first and check I wasn't going to jump out of the seat when he put the pliers on it.

There is a limit to the amount of it they can give you and excessive amounts of it causes some form of negative response from the body, but I can't remember what.




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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 12:39


The worst would be the people put under using a paralytic to prevent movement and not have the general anesthetic work, being awake as the knife cuts into you. Oh!
Some suffer from terrible psychological trama.
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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 12:53


Quote: Originally posted by Morgan  
Injections aren't bad,


I went to la Doc for injections for bursitis in my shoulder. (Interesting
engineering the bursa.) Doc comes up with a needle YAHOOO-ooo
long! They inject the whatever mixed with anesthetic, inject - squirt,
the strangest thing is — you can feel the needle going (crunching)
through the cartridge/bone. Doc takes a step back so he will have
enough room to remove the needle and sez to ID - blood and
whatever running down his arm, Come back next week for the
second shot.
Second shot! Actually there are three shots to the series.
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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 12:55


I saw a program all about that, where one part of the aesthetic runs out or fails in some way so the patient remains paralysed but becomes aware of the sensations - they've been able to describe what the staff are saying or doing in the operating theatre, demonstrating it's not simply a con for compensation.

That would be immense indeed! One guy was having his smashed ankle drilled and screwed back together for hours. I think I'd opt for lots of local aesthetics where ever possible. Never needed a general aesthetic, or broken a bone. Yet.

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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 14:04


Quote: Originally posted by peach  
I saw a program all about that, where one part of the aesthetic runs out or fails in some way so the patient remains paralysed but becomes aware of the sensations - they've been able to describe what the staff are saying or doing in the operating theatre, demonstrating it's not simply a con for compensation.

That would be immense indeed! One guy was having his smashed ankle drilled and screwed back together for hours. I think I'd opt for lots of local aesthetics where ever possible. Never needed a general aesthetic, or broken a bone. Yet.
Well... you started it.

Let me start by saying ... I have a lifetime of really bad
experiences with dentists, e.g., one idiot is drilling away.....
YAHAAAAGUHHH. That cant hurt! I did root canal on
that tooth! Stupid looks at chart. Oh - that was the
other side. I'll give you a shot. And poor experiences
with hospitals which is why I had a spinal and a shot for my
leg. The illegal immigrant anesthetizer for when they [said they did]
take out my gall bladder couldn't get the breathing tube down
so they had to awaken me.... I came back like I was underwater
fighting my way to the surface, i.e., swinging. We have to do
it again tomorrow. The next time they strapped me down. The
surgery was Laparoscopic so after - my belly button hung
out - and I thus I lost my job in Chippendale's. For as
woman put it to me ... those women are looking for
perfection
. I though they were just looking for a .......!

Gas passer sez. Next time tell them you are difficult to
intubate.
Thus the spinal for my broken leg. Doc sez. I turned
the bones into crumbs. (Ladder slipped.)

I woke up once during surgery - Sez I to whoever was behind the
curtains. I am freezing.

Wake up the second time . I am hot.

Third time ... sez to myself... where am I? Am I dreaming?
Am I part of a video game?.... Oh — I know where I am.

The fourth time .... surgeon is having a conversation with someone
telling the in no uncertain terms they are no longer needed and to
please leave.

No pain each time.

They gave me a shot when the removed the screws for the
Open reduction. I remember - 4 brief - Auggh's, not much
if any pain.

Couple of years latter I was checked by a throat specialist who
found no problem. I even had a swallow test (always thought
that would be a good pick up line.) the give you a 'hole bunch
of stuff to eat and take X-ray movies. Most interesting medical
procedure I have ever had. And its painless.

Leg-800.jpg - 288kB

Oh. Byda .... after 12-weeks when they removed the 4 big
screws .... I promptly broke one of the small ones. Talent.
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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 14:28


old folks used to put a clove next to their hurting tooth . i tried it and it does numb but it also burns more than cinnamon sticks. can the numbing properties of cloves be extracted?
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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 14:31


I'm not sure if you'll find this amusing or horrifying Wizard.



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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 14:34


Quote: Originally posted by cyanureeves  
old folks used to put a clove next to their hurting tooth . i tried it and it does numb but it also burns more than cinnamon sticks. can the numbing properties of cloves be extracted?


Nope.

It's the eugenol in the cloves doing it. I have vacuum distilled eugenol and it still burns and numbs simultaneously.

The only difference is that pure eugenol is just about colourless and also smells less complex than the natural product (since most of the other aromatic compounds are diminished or gone).

I used to eat cinnamon sticks a few years ago, because I'd bought a bag of them and it was something tasty to chew on when hungry (like liquorish root). I don't know if it was the hunger, cinnamon sticks or both, but I started feeling a bit funny after long enough.

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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 14:59


A few insights if you read down about half the page for the details/scenarios.
http://www.dentalfearcentral.org/fears/not-numb/
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[*] posted on 30-5-2011 at 16:19


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I'm not sure if you'll find this amusing or horrifying Wizard.

Well... when I first came home from the hospital... turn on the TV to
one the those people doing stupid things programs ...
someone goes crashing onto the pavement .... my whole leg
starts to jitter.... Trauma - Life in the ER - ditto. Years on now
- when it is really-really graphic ... my foot jitters and I turn
away.

There was a woman in the Doc's waiting room with open reduction
of her arm, I am not sure if it was 4 or 6 screws. Either she had
a hell of a fall ... or owed money to the Mafia.

Some people collect tattoos — I collect scars. Table-saw thumb
comes to mind, &c., &c., &c. Thus - I preach safety whenever I can with no apologies.
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