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[*] posted on 19-10-2012 at 04:15
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today i found out about this new effort for keeping us safe. from http://www.wcoomd.org/press/?v=1&lid=1&cid=8&id=...:

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Conducted under the framework of Programme Global Shield, an unprecedented international effort to counter the smuggling of chemical precursors that could be used by terrorists and other criminals to manufacture explosive devices, the operation’s successes will act as a driver for future action against criminals trading in death and destruction.

Currently more than 70 countries are participating, which to date has resulted in numerous seizures. This is the first time that participating WCO Members have joined forces to keep bomb-making chemicals out of the hands of organizations involved in terror and other transnational organized crime.

Significant results from the operation include:

· 22 seizures of explosive precursors.

· Over 33,000 kilograms (33 metric tons) of chemicals seized, primarily ammonium nitrate.

· 18 arrests reported by participating countries.

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Participants provided information on the movement of just over 2 billion kilograms of 14 high-risk precursor chemicals: Acetic Anhydride, Acetone, Aluminum Powder, Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Ammonium Nitrate, Hydrogen Peroxide, Nitric Acid, Nitromethane, Potassium Chlorate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Perchlorate, Sodium Chlorate, Sodium Nitrate and Urea.

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[*] posted on 19-10-2012 at 04:57


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Acetic Anhydride, Acetone, Aluminum Powder, Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Ammonium Nitrate, Hydrogen Peroxide, Nitric Acid, Nitromethane, Potassium Chlorate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Perchlorate, Sodium Chlorate, Sodium Nitrate and Urea.

Oh goody!

Table salt is now a chemical precursor?

WTF next?

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[*] posted on 19-10-2012 at 06:54


Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise  
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Sodium Chlorate,

Oh goody!

Table salt is now a chemical precursor?

WTF next?



Sodium chlorate is not table salt. You are thinking of sodium chloride.
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[*] posted on 19-10-2012 at 06:59


Sooo, what part of "precursor" are you having difficulty with?
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[*] posted on 20-10-2012 at 23:21


Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise  
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Acetic Anhydride, Acetone, Aluminum Powder, Ammonium Nitrate, Calcium Ammonium Nitrate, Hydrogen Peroxide, Nitric Acid, Nitromethane, Potassium Chlorate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Perchlorate, Sodium Chlorate, Sodium Nitrate and Urea.

Oh goody!

Table salt is now a chemical precursor?

WTF next?



And urine also contains a restricted chemical.
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[*] posted on 21-10-2012 at 01:33


People are just a whole bunch of packages of chemical precursors ─ put 'em all on the list!
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[*] posted on 30-10-2012 at 16:35


Quote: Originally posted by weiming1998  
And urine also contains a restricted chemical.


I'm guessing that since these people wanted to cast their net THIS wide, these provisions will be near impossible to enforce, thankfully.

... unless they will force travellers to empty their bladders before crossing national borders^^




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[*] posted on 31-10-2012 at 21:44


Nobody is expecting to consistently enforce any of it consistently... They might just want to be able to "enforce" as much as possible in the most possible situations, whenever it is seems useful to the enforcer.

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thumbdown.gif posted on 8-1-2013 at 19:00


Quote: Originally posted by tetrahedron  
to keep bomb-making chemicals out of the hands of organizations involved in terror and other transnational organized crime.

Good, as long as this does not involve banning "bomb making" chemicals from the law abiding average citizens, which I fear it does. Are they also going to keep "military type" guns "out of the hands" of of terrorists and criminals? I want to know exactly what "out of the hands" means.

Have fun when they raid your little amateur laboratory and confiscate your sulfur. :P

If you are in the USA or Australia, they are already after your phosphorous and iodine. What has the world come to? You have to have a permit to buy a chemical element now? We are not talking about barrels here, just small ammounts.

[Edited on 9-1-2013 by AndersHoveland]




I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying lets remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.
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[*] posted on 8-1-2013 at 19:57


The iodine-phosphorus situation will hopefully resolve itself once meth is no longer the drugs of choice for Americans. That could be in a decade, or never, it all depends. What I'm trying to say is that in the past, synthetic drugs have come and gone, PCP once used to be "the number one problem", just as today people are saying meth is "part of the American landscape".

But precursors for *ahem* "energetic materials" will find themselves on the list of controlled reagents and will never leave the list until all terrorists have stopped making bombs (which will never happen).




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