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[*] posted on 31-7-2004 at 08:10
Endanger of being shut down?


I noticed that when you try and visit roguesci's home page a message is diplayed that says-
Account for domain roguesci.org has been suspended
I remember a few months ago that someone had mentioned that these types of websites are being shut down. Could this be the begining, and could this site be next?




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[*] posted on 31-7-2004 at 08:27


I remember that being said too tom. IIRC, after recent server too busy issues at roguesci, mega did say that the site would go down fairly soon for some maintenance, but I didn't think he meant this.

I wonder if any of the roguesci mods that post here could shed some light on it. Even if it has been forced to shut down, I doubt we are in as much danger here as we don't tend to dicuss such controversial subjects anywhere near as much as over there.
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[*] posted on 31-7-2004 at 10:03


The mods already did shed some light on this problem...In the first thread on this topic...
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[*] posted on 31-7-2004 at 10:37


Oh right thanks, what criteria does one have to meet before one can ask for the whimsy password, or is it just a case of asking?
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[*] posted on 31-7-2004 at 10:51


I think its just a case of asking and so passerbyers dont flood it with chem/random/porno stuff :D



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[*] posted on 1-8-2004 at 06:50
Whimsy


Polverone sent me the password for 'Whimsy'. It's not setup for
passerbys as it must be requested by a registered member from
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[*] posted on 2-8-2004 at 05:17


I don't have the PW for whimsy and I really would like to know what's happening with E&W. Can anyone tell me? Thanks.
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[*] posted on 2-8-2004 at 21:44
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The last thing I read was that E & W is looking for a new web
host. Currently, no reason has been stated as to why their
account is suspended. When they find a new host, I'm sure all of
us will be given an explanation as to what happened and why.

[Edited on 3-8-2004 by MadHatter]




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 12:17
The reason why you should be afraid...very afraid!


The DoD contacted our host and had them pull the plug, as we've been linked to by several pro-jihad arab sites as being a good place (the only place, really) to learn about improvised weapons and explosives.

As a "terrorist trainer" (to quote Them), I'd like to inform you that your asses are next on the hit-list of places to be 404'd.

After all, there are election campaigns that need scapegoats to sacrifice, and "Terrorist" sites, such as roguesci and sciencemadness, are the sacrifices that must be made to keep Herr Bush in power. :rolleyes:

Do some google searching of arab sites, and you'll see your site mentioned next to ours. :p




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 12:24


This is very disturbing indeed (if you really are NBK ofcourse, PGP?).

It's a good thing that we are forbidding practical discussion of HE and such, but if that's going to save our ass...:(


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are the sacrifices that must be made to keep Herr Bush in power


Well, well, the next thing you know.....:P

Sorry, couldn't resist.




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 12:26


BACK UP! BACK UP! BACK UP! :o



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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 12:42


Both Polverone and Madscientist are now aware of the situation. I guess Polverone is backing up the board right now.

Also, we should have a backup from 19 july.

Axehandles also offered to host the site temporarily (hopefully) should the shit really hit the fan.




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 12:59


The board has been freshly backed up today. nbk2000, your style of writing resembles that of nbk2000 from roguesci.org, and your story does sound plausible. But could you please say the same thing again, signed with your PGP key?

(here, I'm hoping someone already has nkb's public key stored locally, as I don't)

Also, why have no staff members from roguesci sent out email to members about what's taken place? I'm pretty sure there have been mailings before when the site was down for other reasons. If this information can be confirmed with a signed message, I suggest that news of what happened be spread through other forums and private communications.

When was the last time the forum for roguesci was backed up?

Finally, for the edification of all, can anyone here suggest webhosts in countries whose laws do not restrict dissemination of unclassified technical information and which are unlikely to roll over at the first official US requests for censorship? Do such countries even exist anymore?




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 13:06


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Finally, for the edification of all, can anyone here suggest webhosts in countries whose laws do not restrict dissemination of unclassified technical information and which are unlikely to roll over at the first official US requests for censorship? Do such countries even exist anymore?

I'd suggest Russia. I'm not kidding.




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 13:07


Russia! They don't really give a toss as long as they get paid.

Seems you got there before me Axe!

[Edited on 4-8-2004 by Eliteforum]




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shocked.gif posted on 4-8-2004 at 15:05
Don't believe what you see


I am sorry, I am rather sceptical about this whole thing, and the validity of 'nbk's' claims.
I just searched google with the term sciencemadness.org, and to look for anything that contained this string of letters. (i.e. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&am... )


Surprise surprise, out of 4360 (of course many aren't unique) I didn't find a single radical political/jihad link (except one, where if6was9 might be a member) that linked to sciencemadness. Sciencemadness is mainly mentioned by other forums, and hobby science sites, and EW of course.

Personally I think/hope this is just some kind of joke, trying to get everyone worried.

Backing up can't hurt, nonetheless :)

PS On a side note - in countries without our latin letter system (i.e. china, arabian coutnries), how do their browsers work? I.e. how would a link be spelt? I was thinking maybe I didn't find links becuase they are in a different language, with different keys... but that hardly makes sense... does it?

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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 15:13


Personally, this has got me freaked, but we should eb able to handel it.

If we know of members who are linked to terrorist groups, ban them, delete all evidence of their existence.

I would think that backing up roguesci would take a while, thats why, when I was there, people were backing up the FTP, and it was a bunch of people. So no doubt it could take a while.


Best of luck to us all.




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 15:18


I'm not sure it is NBK, either. If it was, I would be suprised that he wasn't taken down at the same time as the site, along with Mega. At the very least, they would pick you up and shake you down just to see what happened, as well as to ensure you didn't decide to just unpack the archive someplace else, and cary on as before.

Also, a good search warrant would ensure that all computers, media, etc. were impounded for analysis for a good while.

The frighteners are always a good way to get rid of people without actually having to censor them.

Anyway, regardless, I wish there had been a simple to download back-up of such a handy site. Same here, really. Being able to click a button to get a stripped down version of all the posts would be very handy. You could easily not select the names or passwords, email, etc. and replace them with a unique id that was just so you could tell who wrote which threads, posts, etc. but without any actual data.

That would stop this from becoming a real issue, as anyone with a fast connection could back it up very fast. Even just the MySQL dump prog would do it, with a tweak or two.

Edit: Installed, XMB is 1.1Mb uncompressed, and the MySQL database is 363K without any posts, many users, etc. so there is a lot of stuff you want to keep, but it is text, and the back-up program allows compression, even via phpMyAdmin's interface, which stuffs it and then sends it to you.

I'll not promise anything, but a button to compress and download the entire forum should be easy enough, and a version that strips out the member data shouldn't be much harder.

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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 15:22


As far as I know, neither mega nor nbk pay for the hosting, I believe Anthony pays for it. At least from what I can remember the domain was registered in Anthonys name.

A member did a whois and found that Anthony (or whomever) had registed the whois details with his name and address, to which he promptly changed these details.

This is taken from rough memory from a long time ago though, so don't quote me on this.




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 16:04


I was discussing the issue of roguesci being down with a friend on the phone the other night and he did a whois on it. It's still registered in Anthony's name apparantly.

I do not believe this is the real nbk either. He has referred to bush as a Great White Bozo in another thread, yet on roguesci I definitely recall him saying he liked Bush, calling him Aryan, and warning those doing all the 'Bush bashing'.
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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 16:41


The 2 messages from "nbk2000" were apparently posted from a public library computer in Missouri. I don't know if this suggests anything about the legitimacy, one way or the other, of the messages we've received. I know nbk was at one time living without an internet connection, but I presume that was rectified since he moderated/participated often enough. If he still had that connection, I don't see why he would use a library computer instead of (say) just using a proxy to post here. Whatever the cause of roguesci's disappearance, I find it strange that none of the staff there have sent out a general email to roguesci's users keeping them posted on what's happening. Of course, if the email addresses were all stored on the roguesci server, that could be part of the problem...

It would be nice if we could get a mod from roguesci to say what's happened and sign the message with PGP (did they all have PGP keys?)




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 17:20


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PS On a side note - in countries without our latin letter system (i.e. china, arabian coutnries), how do their browsers work? I.e. how would a link be spelt? I was thinking maybe I didn't find links becuase they are in a different language, with different keys... but that hardly makes sense... does it?


Standard Arabic only has 29 characters, Urdu and Farsi have a few more...so they have a pretty familiar looking keyboard. The Asian languages do it a bit differently, and from what I understand it varies between Korean, Japanese, and Chinese. In Chinese, they have both "spelling" and classical characters. So they have a program where you type in the spelling and it punches out the classical character.

Not sure about Japanese or Korean though.
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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 17:46


Speaking of roguesci email - its a weird coincidence that since the site went down, my roguesci email inbox has been flooded with returned spam messages. Someone is using that address to spam people with software offers (links) and random words.

I call it my roguesci email inbox because it is unknown and unused otherwise.

This started on the 30th, and continues. Never ever had such a problem before. But I guess it could be coincidental.

So, in how many hands are the roguesci email and IP addresses? Not that such an event, whatever it is, was unforseen.

On topic - the gov't has no good reason to try to shut down this site, but that doesn't seem to stop them from - what did R Duke say - the tendency is to push it as far as you can. And you all know that they do.
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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 18:56


Let me quote myself.:)

start quote~

I predict this forum and other such forums will be banned or censored within 15 years. If not, they will die out on their own. By then it will be rather hard to get any chemicals anyways, so the forum would be near useless even if it existed.


Just Kidding. I hope. We will see.

~end quote.

Maybe we are beginning to see.

I hope that this is just a fluke, a random crash or maintanance, "nbk2000" is a faker who has nothing better to do than to get everyone worried, and the site will be up and running soon. nbk2000, please validate yourself.

"the gov't has no good reason to try to shut down this site"

Umm, look in the Energetic Materials section. Do you think Uncle Sam cares that THESE explosives are new and exotic, out of the ordinary mundane stuff, and that we don't tell people how to put them inside of pipes and detonate them?


Herr Bush, or Herr Kerry? It doesn't matter. Does anyone think Kerry will stop the "war on terror"?

Don't get me wrong, I am all for fighting terrorists, I don't want to help a terrorist, but I also don't want to lose the ability to talk about chemicals. :)

The solution?

What would the consequences to members themselves be?

could I have the password to whimsy please?




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[*] posted on 4-8-2004 at 19:05
Warning ... Warning ... Warning !!!!


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Reverting to alchemical speak cr. 1625

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Do you wish to continue ?

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Abandon logic and quest for a method to turn lead into gold?

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