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[*] posted on 10-8-2013 at 13:06
Thermal analysis predict a half-life of 12 millions years for PETN


An important paper published in 1982 by H.N.Vaulltrauer, came up with important result for PETN. PETN is far mor stable than we thought. In a collaboration with the Laurence Livermore National Lab (LLNL), a thermal study is realized on two sample of PETN (prepared in LLNL) having different surface area. In the experiment, the author heat the samples of PETN at different temperature, ranging between 53-120 degree Celsius, at the same time the gaseous NOx emitted from decomposing samples were analyzed and quantified using a chemiluminescence analyzer. Extrapolating data (from fig.2 in the article) down to 30 degree Celsius, yield a half-time of 12 million years which mean that PETN decompose very very slowly at this temperature and thus PETN is very stable (in term of thermal decomposition) in storage at room temperature. Another significant conclusion is that finer PETN (PETN with highest surface area) is two time faster in decomposition than the coarser one at a given temperature. Compared to Nitrocellulose, PETN gives 1000 time less NOx emission at 30 degree Celsius.

i will upload the original paper of Vaulltrauer and another important revue on PETN aging which gives a lot of informations on PETN chemical and physical properties.

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[*] posted on 10-8-2013 at 13:13


Yes, must be a great dating tool for future antropologists :cool:
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[*] posted on 11-8-2013 at 07:11


However unlike atomic nuclei molecular substances can be attacked by biological processes. If a microbe is synthetically engineered for passive mine disposal and subsequently evolves beyond its design parameters, there will be nothing for the intelligent radiation-resistant raccoons or anthropomorphic ravens to uncover.
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[*] posted on 11-8-2013 at 07:25


Hello Killswitch,

the half-life of 12 millions years should only be given to the purified PETN materials. Unfortunately, the study of Vaulltrauer say nothing about the presence of impurity (e.g., acid residue from synthesis). impure explosives will decompose faster when heated. The impurity will probably act in most of case as catalyst for the degradation.

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shocked.gif posted on 11-8-2013 at 13:02


Quote: Originally posted by killswitch  
If a microbe is synthetically engineered for passive mine disposal and subsequently evolves beyond its design parameters...

<offtopic> I want to see a synthetically engineered microbe that will defecate PETN just from sweet water and air! :D </offtopic>
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[*] posted on 20-8-2013 at 01:15


Additional important articles on thermal analysis:

https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/388335.pdf (for the ODTX test)

Dany.

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[*] posted on 20-8-2013 at 12:02


Quote: Originally posted by Dany  
PETN is far more stable than we thought.

That is probably because pentaerythritol does not consist of any secondary alcohol groups. These secondary alcohol groups, as in the case of isopropanol or the central alcohol group in glycerin, are much more vulnerable to oxidation than the other classes of alcohols. And being in solid (non-porous) form likely helps with long-term chemical stability also, since the acidic degredation products are not free to float around and catalyze further hydrolysis of the nitrate ester.
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[*] posted on 20-8-2013 at 12:26


Nice news. We may sleep well...



Women are more perilous sometimes, than any hi explosive.
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[*] posted on 20-8-2013 at 23:32


12 million huh? But the decomposition is autocatalytic, it's exponential. May be the figure would be close to reality if the material doesn't keep any decomposition products. How about EGDN? How will cast material store compared to pressed crystaline?
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[*] posted on 21-8-2013 at 00:24


Hello Ral 123,

Maybe the decomposition of PETN is autocatalytic but don't forget that the predicted half-life of 12 millions years is based on an extrapolated kinetic data to approximately room temperature. At room temperature the decomposition of PETN is very slow and the concentration of decomposition product are extremely low, so virtually no autocatalysis is observed at room temperatue. But as i already mentioned in one of the comment above, the study is realized on a pure sample of PETN, the presence of impurity like formate or oxalate anion (see https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/244673.pdf for mor informations) is expected to accelerate decomposition.

It is difficult to say how a pressed solid explosive will behave thermally compared to a cast charge, but taking the aggregate state of each explosive it is obvious the cast explosive are nearly voidless so there are much less space for the accumulation of decomposition products which may act as catalyst for decomposition.

the state of material influence the decomposition temperature. It has been shown using the one dimensional time to explosion test (ODTX), that fine particle TATB (5 microns) decompose faster than coarser one (52 micron).
the ODTX study is posted above your comment in this thread.

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[*] posted on 21-8-2013 at 20:59


I feel that in the pressed form, the "rotten stuff" will condense in micro bubbles with less surface area. In the cast from wouldn't they be more finely mixed? Do you think adding recrystalised urea is a good idea for these materials? Do you have data on TNP and RDX?
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