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No I haven't, I'll try that. In the meantime I just noticed something, the wiki doesn't have a page for water
EDIT I just made one.
[Edited on 17-9-2014 by gdflp]
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The Volatile Chemist
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| Quote: | | And which AP test would that be? And somehow you high schoolers make me feel old... |
AP US History...
Wow... Not fun, it was.
Just made an article on 1,2-Dichloroethane.
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Quote: Originally posted by The Volatile Chemist  | | Quote: | | And which AP test would that be? And somehow you high schoolers make me feel old... |
AP US History...
Wow... Not fun, it was.
Just made an article on 1,2-Dichloroethane. |
My career in high school included 11 of those tests and that was my least favorite outside of the two English ones(and maybe Calc). I hope you did
well, though.
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The Volatile Chemist
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Got a solid 11/22. Not used to that. And the class average was 12/22. Won't be much editing tonight...
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And I discovered today that I got a 79 on my first AP Physics test. That was a huge surprise and disappointment, especially considering that more
people got A's than C's and I never get C's on tests...
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Ouch.
What went wrong?
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The Volatile Chemist
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That's sad zts16 :/ I'm looking forward to my next science classes (AP Chem and Honors Phys next)
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The first few tests are the hardest, as you may have no idea what you're doing. However, it's quite unusual that you received said score on the test.
I have noticed that practical amateur chemistry does not really require the precision of what is expected in chemistry classes; the goals of amateur
chemistry generally involve getting from product A to product B through some new route - in other words, synthesis. What questions did you struggle
with?
I've started a new thread where we can discuss this further.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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| Quote: Originally posted by gdflp | No I haven't, I'll try that. In the meantime I just noticed something, the wiki doesn't have a page for water
EDIT I just made one.
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Someone should also make a page for "hydric acid". This is too funny.
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We've got way too many categories on the wiki. We have 216 categories, to be exact, for 212 pages. If you can find any duplicate, misspelled,
or useless categories, please correct or delete them. Begin to fill up relatively empty categories by adding in relevant articles.
Also, I've noticed many categories have every word capitalized - unless the category includes proper nouns, don't capitalize any word but the first.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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OK. It's my thought that ranking should not be used. It seems to distract people into getting a high rank without actually working (eg. the spike of
categories). I wouldn't have spoken if I were a lower rank, but I'll admit that (prior to having obtained #2 rank) they were a big distraction. I
really don't think they promote the right kind of editing. They should probably be turned off, in my opinion.
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Next time I get a chance, I'll go through the categories and delete the useless ones. Also, I'll add a section to the editing guideline page
describing the proper use of categories.
As for getting rid of rankings... I think that they should stay. Ever since we implemented those, many more edits have been made regularly than there
were before. I don't know if it's a direct correlation, but they certainly don't hurt. We had just as many useless categories before. (I've done a
couple of category deletion rampages already...)
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Brain&Force
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I second zts16, as there has been a huge spike in editing. We'll always have plenty of useless edits no matter what. However, what I think we need to
do is put the list of pages and categories on the front page, that way people can see them immediately rather than just guess at what's there and
what's not and avoid page merging, if possible.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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Texium
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Links to the lists you mean? Embedding the lists themselves would take up quite a bit of room.
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Brain&Force
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Yes, that's what I meant.
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I definitely can confirm that I edit the wiki more because of the point system. I keep coming back everyday so that I can keep my number of days in a
row up, and then when I get there, I find tons of stuff that I can add info too, and then I get ideas for new articles while doing it, etc. I wouldn't
say that the whole wiki is going down in quality; just the whole category ordeal. I haven't noticed many poorly done edits, just frivolous
category-adding. I think if we see somebody add a very questionable category for points' sake, the appropriate thing to do would be do call them out
for it and then delete it. Nobody wants that kind of negative attention, so they'll probably stop. But guys, as far as the number of categories goes,
I don't think that the numerical value is all that big of an issue. We have so many categories because even though we have few articles, we have
covered a very diverse array of topics, and that should be indicated by the number of categories we have. As long as a category enhances the ability
of someone to locate potential reagents/processes or to lead someone from one article to another in a way that encourages learning, it should stay.
What we probably don't need is just grouping every single compound together because they share a single property(for example: red compounds, insoluble
compounds) where that compound discusses none of the actual uses/chemistry of it.
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Brain&Force
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I've included an intentionally obfuscated synthesis of TATP on the Acetone peroxide page. Should we keep it?
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Amos
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See, I'm kind of in favor of a detailed step-by-step process with all considerations included. If someone wants to make things that blow up, they're
not going to say "oh well! I guess I can't make that if it's not on the wiki!"; they're going to browse the internet for second-rate sources(and there
are lots of VERY shitty ones) and lose a limb trying to carry them out. Kewls will be kewls, so the least we can do is try to make sure they get the
right information until they've wisened up.
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Brain&Force
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Hmm, you're right about that. Speaking of which, I think we should include more how-to articles on the wiki, and expand on the only one we have.
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I agree wholeheartedly, I really enjoy articles that are a combination of useful information on the topic but also include more explicitly stated
procedures for how to go about accomplishing things. That's what I was trying to do when I made my Chloroform article, one of my very first.
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Brain&Force
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I just created an edit track - you get badges for editing How-to articles. (Use the category "How-to")
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gdflp
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Just a suggestion for category deletion, we have two categories, one for bases which is supposed to be only for bronsted-lowry bases, and another
which is "bronsted-lowry bases". "Bronsted-lowry bases" is the smaller category. If you need more admins on the wiki, I'd be happy to help.
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Brain&Force
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zts16 is a bureaucrat on the wiki and is the only person who has the power to elevate users. Ask him, I'm sure he'd appreciate the help.
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I asked zts16 once, I think he wants a good bit more users before he promotes anyone.
But it was a while ago.
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Brain&Force
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I've included a "main article" template for synthesis pages and such. I've also included navboxes, but I don't know how to make them work like
Wikipedia's, let alone make a periodic table template. They've been copied from http://templates.wikia.com/
[Edited on 28.9.2014 by Brain&Force]
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