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How do you all feel about the existence of a "Hydrogen compounds" category that someone made, containing every compound with an atom of hydrogen in
it? Or "Neutral salts"? Do either of those seem excessive?
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Neutral salts has been around for a while, I think it's fine. Hydrogen compounds I added a ton of articles to, but I didn't make it, I was just
trying to help it along.
EDIT : Yay I'm a National Hazard now!!
[Edited on 9-28-2014 by gdflp]
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Amos
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Quote: Originally posted by gdflp  | Neutral salts has been around for a while, I think it's fine. Hydrogen compounds I added a ton of articles to, but I didn't make it, I was just
trying to help it along.
EDIT : Yay I'm a National Hazard now!!
[Edited on 9-28-2014 by gdflp] |
Grats on the achievement! My only real issue with hydrogen compounds is that most of the things in it are already in categories that imply hydrogen
being contained in the structure. But for compounds like HF, HCl, H2O, etc. it's fine.
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| Quote: Originally posted by No Tears Only Dreams Now | | Quote: Originally posted by gdflp | Neutral salts has been around for a while, I think it's fine. Hydrogen compounds I added a ton of articles to, but I didn't make it, I was just
trying to help it along.
EDIT : Yay I'm a National Hazard now!!
[Edited on 9-28-2014 by gdflp] |
Grats on the achievement! My only real issue with hydrogen compounds is that most of the things in it are already in categories that imply hydrogen
being contained in the structure. But for compounds like HF, HCl, H2O, etc. it's fine. |
I think that hydrogen
compounds is definitely an excessive category. Hydrogen does so many different things in compounds that it really doesn't mean anything as a category.
Two compounds that both contain an atom of hydrogen may have absolutely nothing else in common. (e.g. benzene and sodium bicarbonate) Also, picture
somebody looking for a certain compound. They aren't going to think, "Well, I know it has hydrogen in it!" and then start looking at a bunch of
hydrogen containing compounds.
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Brain&Force
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I want the hydrogen compounds category to be reserved for binary hydrogen compounds only (HF, H2O, NH3). It's the only useful
way to do it.
Also, on a similar note, I've removed the Acids and Bases edit tracks, as there are too many subcategories for the tracks to work properly.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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gdflp
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Okay, sorry about that. I reverted the category to fit those requirements.
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Cool. I still think 'hydrogen compounds' is excessive. Maybe ones that are binary, but it still seems a bit excessive. How about protionic hydrogen
compounds? Someone write some articles on that, or hydrides. Then, maybe, 'hydrogen compounds' would be useful.
BTW, I'm trying to develop a form of 'amateur chemist search engine' for resources. I need some Ideas on how to do it/incorporate the wiki.
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| Quote: Originally posted by No Tears Only Dreams Now | | Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | Well, it does appear that you're still getting "its" and "it's" confused.
I normally wouldn't point that out, at least not in front of everyone else, but in this case I thought that it was appropriate since you were
criticizing someone else's grammar.
Check yourself before you shrek yourself dude. (: |
First, thanks a bunch for the shrek-related images running through my head now, zts16  Secondly, I don't think The Volatile Chemist has been told about this issue yet; that was all MabusWinnfield as far as I can recall. It is
still one of the most common mistakes I see as well. "It's" is only used in instances when the two words "it is" would make sense; "Its" is for
instances like the one zts16 pointed out, when you are applying a condition or possession to something. Apart from that, though, good work with the
editing; Any addition of useful information is valued even if the grammar isn't intact. |
Ah yes, I remember that. Sorry about that. I wrote the article when it was around 3:00 in the morning here, I'm surprised I even managed to write
something legible. 
On a side note, did anyone else got a message in the last few weeks saying the wiki database is temporarily locked for maintenance when trying to
publish an edit? I worked on other wikis in the past, but I don't recall receiving such messages when I tried to publish.
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The Volatile Chemist
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Huh, I saw something in regards to it, but didn't edit anything that day, so I don't know if it was related...
Anyone else see a maintenance message?
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Amos
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I've seen messages saying that my edit couldn't be done because the article has been changed since you began, but that's all.
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Ha, those are always fun (and a little awkward), especially when you've added the exact same thing as the other person, just with a
different wording!
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Amos
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When I add the template, it jumps to the classic editor, which I hate. So I have to save it and then edit it with the other editor, leaving an empty
article behind. That's why it happens to me.
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Brain&Force
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I've never seen a maintenance message, but I always cause editing conflicts
YOU LIKE THE VISUALEDITOR? WHAT? BLASPHEMER! (I find it unusable)
[edit] and you're inflating your edit count...hmm...this calls for a permaban! 
[Edited on 1.10.2014 by Brain&Force]
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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Hmm, guess I must have had bad luck then.
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Amos
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| Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force | I've never seen a maintenance message, but I always cause editing conflicts
YOU LIKE THE VISUAL EDITOR? WHAT? BLASPHEMER! (I find it unusable)
[edit] and you're inflating your edit count...hmm...this calls for a permaban!
[Edited on 1.10.2014 by Brain&Force] |
I would never use that plebeian classic editor! Besides, don't you think creating a whole new article and writing EVERY section yourself deserves more
than one tiny edit?
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How do you feel about hydrides being in hydrogen compounds (e.g. LiAlH4)?
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Mabus
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Well, I'd say hydrides are a better representative of hydrogen compounds than say, acetic acid.
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Amos
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Yeah, that's one of the things I was getting at. Even though it's not a binary hydrogen compound, it is definitely still a hydride and those hydrogens
definitely influence the chemistry of the compound, so I'd say that, and any other hydride, can be included in there.
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It's a hydride, but shouldn't be labeled 'hydrogen compound'. It should be labeled hydride!
Regardless, WYSIWYG Editors are for quiche eaters.
(And yea, I actually kinda like quiche [but I'm no quiche eater!]...)
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| Quote: Originally posted by The Volatile Chemist | It's a hydride, but shouldn't be labeled 'hydrogen compound'. It should be labeled hydride!
Regardless, WYSIWYG Editors are for quiche eaters.
(And yea, I actually kinda like quiche [but I'm no quiche eater!]...) |
Y'know, I agree with you now. More precise is better. Hydrides can be a subcategory of hydrogen compounds then.
Quiche is delicious. So is the visual editor.
[Edited on 10-1-2014 by No Tears Only Dreams Now]
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Amos
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I made a pretty big change to the wiki but it is easily fixed. I need to know what you all think of it. I got rid of the Brønsted-Lowry and Arrhenius
categories, as when the wiki was originally made, the intent was for "Acid" and "Base" to imply the Brønsted-Lowry definition.
In order to get the Acid/Base tracks back for those badges, I have made it so that Lewis acids and Lewis bases still go in the category Acids or
Bases, as well as their own respective categories, so that people can still get awards for editing those ones, as they're quite important. So if a
compound is designated "base" but not a Lewis base, then it is a base by the Brønsted-Lowry base definition.
Do you guys think this works, or should we look for a better system?
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What happened to the ball and stick Limonene image? When I click on it, wiki tells me it's not there, but it doesn't appear to be deleted, I checked
the deletion log.
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No idea, but I uploaded a new one and now it seems to be working.
What are your opinions on desiccant being in "Chemical compounds"? I think it's kind of a stretch.
EDIT : That's weird, both Mabus and I have the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon achievement, but the wiki claims only one person has it.
[Edited on 10-2-2014 by gdflp]
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Woot, the wiki finaly made it to a stick post :p University really gets me busy, I would really like to continue to help as before otherwise if like I
didn't have to learn by earth tons of formulas like Van Der Waal and explain how to get to it by integrating from Boltzman's distribution -_- 
@ No Tears Only Dreams Now : I guess your system is fine, the Brønsted-Lowry definition is the most usual definition while it is good to specify when
an acid/base is from the Lewis definition. In fact my opinion would be to just put the Lewis ones in the "lewis acid" or "lewis base" category, and
not in the general "acid" or "base" category because, in my head, I just can't consider things like carbocations and AlCl3 as acids. I am really too
much used to think by the Brønsted-Lowry definition, as almost everyone else. Anyway, it doesn't mater much.
Help us build the Sciencemadness Wiki! Every question and tips about amateur chemistry two clicks away, wouldn't that be awesome?!
sciencemadness.org/smwiki
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I asked Polverone to top this thread and the "tired of reporting spam" thread, as they seem to be well-used.
At the end of the day, simulating atoms doesn't beat working with the real things...
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