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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 06:37
Acetone based wood paint stripping


I used to brush old furniture with sandpaper and then painted it but it's very time consuming and hard. Sandpaper is getting also more expensive for the work it does.

So I checked for paint strippers on the internet and they are based on DCM with some oily component.


Since I don't have it I tried acetone and it does wonders but it evaporates too fast. Xylene doesn't work at all. Is there something I can add to acetone to make it thicker and more resistant to evaporation like good old DCM based paint strippers do? I would after that just scrap the paint with a piece of sharp metal.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 06:49


Maybe instead of adding something to thickin it, add a liquid with an even lower boilingpoint. As it evaporates, it will take energy out of the acetone, and keep it from evaporating.



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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 06:59


Nothing cheap has a boiling poing lower than acetone though. What do they use in DCM to thicken it.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 07:14


Mix acetone and xylene. I use the mixture for solvent welding ABS plastic, when I need something that doesn't evaporate as fast as acetone. I usually use 25-50% xylene.



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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 11:30


Stripping off "paint" can be less than straight forward due to the multitude of variables.

What is the paint? - a thermoset, thermoplastic, protein based; is the substrate metal, wood, a sensitive plastic? etc. etc. Polarity and pH come into play

To strip off a paint, one would ideally use materials that do not actually dissolve the paint but rather, cause it to swell to the point it no longer remains attached to the substrate. Many modern spay paints are resin based and are sometimes resoluble w/ paint thinner/mineral spirits.

DCM/MeOH/toluene combinations (usually thickened, and sometimes containing surfactants) cause most common paints to swell and not dissolve.

If you only have acetone, you might want to make a poultice w/ it and whatever - flour, sawdust, and cover it w/ PE plastic sheeting. This would simply keep the solvent in contact w/ the paint longer, but you will still be faced with removal of the thickened mess of paint and poultice. Some paint thinner (or other 'inert' solvent) added would help keep all a bit more liquid.

Gloves and vapor mask, or outside.

Good luck

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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 16:24


I had great success using sodium hydroxide thickened with corn starch, and with a little detergent to improve wetting. Dead cheap, and very effective. And dare I say it - safer than the commercial stuff i tried ( got a really nasty burn from that stuff, in a couple of seconds).



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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 17:21


Commercial DCM has petroleum ethers in it to thicken it. I would suggest trying ligroin if you have it.
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[*] posted on 2-7-2014 at 17:35


Be careful using acetone on large surfaces. Unlike DCM, acetone is quite flammable. With a large surface area and fast evaporation, there will be a lot of acetone vapors generated, which can sneak around looking for an ignition source. Once lit, you will have a gigantic fire on your hands.



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[*] posted on 3-7-2014 at 11:25


How sensitive to charring is your surface? Solvents work well to strip paint, as does lye.....But, for many jobs, a heat gun is the answer. Just soften the paint with heat, scrape it off.
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[*] posted on 3-7-2014 at 13:24


Twospoons formula is old school but works. Funny thing is lye by weight costs as much as DCM. A similar product made with DCM in a porridge is spread onto the substrate and then covered with wax paper to reduce evaporation and better permeate the work surface. Well afterwards the material is then pealed away as a crust.with the paint attached. Another old school method is to use a blowtorch , although it requires a skilled touch unless you don't mind scorched wood.

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