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Exhaust fumes through the kitchen fan?
Hi, i will soon try my first ever experiments. I have decided to start with some simple electrochem reactions, like making NaOH and metal salts.
I will also make some mash with the intention to purify it to at least 96%. This through distillation and later drying with CaO. This one scares me
the most.
I have been putting this off for a long time for several different reasons, but next week i will get the wires thats last needed for the electro
stuff, and i'll be ready for some science. 
Anyway, the thing is that i dont have a way to extract fumes to outside and was wondering if the kitchen fan can be used if i hang some sort of
plastic sheeting, or if a cardboard box thats modified so it attach to the hood. I dont know.
Anybody done this and can share their experience?
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/nannah.
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I suggest NOT doing chemistry in the kitchen, or keeping chemicals in the kitchen refrigerator... Against the day you work with something toxic or
noxious. Work outside, or build a hood.
If you are doing chemistry in the kitchen and living with others, you will end up either severely pissing them off or possibly killing them.
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Yeah, you are right. I dont want to harm my family just becouse of a hobby project sake. And i would never keep toxic chemicals in the fridge. No way.
Even if you would recommend me to usecthe kitchen fan, i dont think that i would have done it.
I have to make a hood then. If i do it outside that i really want to do i am afraid the neigbors will call the police and i will get busted for making
moonshine. 
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Firstly you should plan to create as few fumes as possible. When distilling you can have a length of PVC tubing leading from the vent of the receiving
adapter out to a window. When refluxing you can attach a length of tubing from the top of the condenser out to a window -- and so on.
You will need to work out a place in your house/garage/shed where you can work -- and where there is a window to vent any volatile solvents.
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In general it's not a good idea to do chemistry in kitchen, unless you live alone, do only chemistry that involves low toxicity chemicals and can
contain the reactions and exhaust the fumes. Many houses do have exhaust up to the roof, and technically you could make a hood. But if you have any
possibility, make a separate hood from cheap wood, coat it with inert plastic and get a duct fan, and if you live near other people, get an activated
carbon filter and attach it to the fan, this will neutralize moderate concentrations of even the more toxic fumes. Do not perform toxic experiments
(like cyanides) in living quarters.
If you are making alcohol, get yourself an active carbon filter. I have used these to make as large as 200 liters drum batches of alcohol in my small
apartment with zero smell. The distillation process itself doesn't smell, just remember to pour the yeast mixture through a sand filter to clarify it,
otherwise it may burn.
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There are many similarities between a lab and a kitchen, and I have frequently used one for my experiments. At the time, it was not used for cooking
though, which reduced the potential for mishap.
I agree with the posters above, that generally you should use a dedicated lab and fume hood, but having said that, I will say that a kitchen fan (if
yours looks like mine) is just fine for venting fumes.
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One aspect of kitchen stove hoods- I have seen installs where the hood merely filters the air of grease with metal mesh panels, then discharge air
directly back into the kitchen! Not a happy thing if you REALLY needed a fume hood...
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Plus, most stoves and their hoods have switches and/or motors that create sparks, so working with any flammable liquids there is really asking for a
fire to start. They are designed to work well with water and steam, which are not typically fire hazards. Any organic experiments with flammable
solvents are best done in a garage, shed, outside, or in some place which, where there is not food or spark sources. There are some experiments
which are suitable for indoors, but you should think about them before doing indoors. Ask yourself what would happen if the flask broke, the
reaction caught fire, or someone were to inject some of it before doing work inside.
Even brewing beer can create some powerful smells, sticky goos, and burns/ fires when boiling the mash. My friends who brew have learned not to do
it in the kitchen, better working on a deck or in the garage, where the floor can be washed with a hose. If beer can make a mess, just imagine what
your nitric acid can do.
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Ex proof fans are mandatory while handling large amounts of continuous aerosols or vapors. Occasional amounts of contained flammables are not an
issue. This means you can do experiments with few hundreds of ml's of ethanol and acetone and other stuff that's mostly in flasks and bottles, NOT
pouring a liter of ether on an open pan. The lower explosion level is different on every vapor, but in general one will need to create several grams
of vapors to cause ignition. This is another of those "common sense" things we face in this hobby.
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Lab is for chemistry, and can be anywhere.
Kitchen is where Food happens.
Always keep the two in separate locations.
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I've never run the expense of explosion proof fans. I don't generate enough H2 at one time to warrant the cost. Kitchen exhaust fans, even when they
discharge to outside air, are usually way to weak to evacuate a suitable volume. A hood must have a fan capable of clearing the lab air every two
minutes. A box fan over a windows is better than a kitchen exhaust.
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The first place I worked part time at had a hood consisting of a plywood box around a window with a box fan in it. But since of the chemicals there
were more toxic than flammable, that worked pretty well. As stated above, the quantities and types of chemicals dictate the concern needed. But if
you work with corrosives or lots of flammables, then ventilation is key.
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After reading all your tips. I got one "aha" moment there with attaching tubing to the apparatus and lead it out the window.
I have to say that i have always hesitated using the kitchen, but its the only place i can hook up a aspirator if i needed it. I forgot to mention
that in the first post. It was good hearing your opinions and what you got to say.
So i am thinking about buying a vacuum pump so i can use the garden shed instead. I just have to put a vent in the wall so i can lead fumes outside.
What kind of pump would you buy if you were on a budget? I have about 100-200 usd to spend.
Thanks guys.
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You mean for the water circulation in the condenser ?
I use a 'Whale Subby' pump in a bucket with a 12v car battery
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Whale-Caravan-Water-Pump-S...
Need colder water ? Change Bucket and/or add ice to bucket.
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So i am thinking about buying a vacuum pump so i can use the garden shed instead. I just have to put a vent in the wall so i can lead fumes outside.
What kind of pump would you buy if you were on a budget? I have about 100-200 usd to spend.
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you can make a fume hood from a leaf blower
read this book- it tells you how to modify a leaf blower to function as a fume hood exhaust (see page 22-23)
this is not a pdf so you will need djvu reader
so first install this-http://windjview.sourceforge.net/
all the best for your experiments
Attachment: Total Synthesis II (Strike).djvu (2MB)
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Aga: I have read about those, and i would very much to make one of my own. I love to have small projects in my free time, but thats in the future.
I have started thinking about using my storage shed for my various projects. I just have to isolate the walls and the ceiling. Its super cold in the
winter, and hot as hell during the summer.
Anybody done this? Isolation i mean.
Cureus: I will download it. Any particular pages? I actually have a leafblower.
Thanks guys.
Ps. Would a single stage rotary vane pump (1,8 cfm) be a good choice for me?
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see page 22-23
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Thanks cureus. I'll check it out.
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