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[*] posted on 26-6-2006 at 18:14


Practically anything you may want to know on this subject

is rationally explained here -> http://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.asp


Personally it makes more sense to me to use an old underutilized

technology now that hybrid vehicles provide the drivability

heretofore lacking. Thourough explaination and resources below _


Working vehicles

http://highforest.tripod.com/charcoal/1944.html

http://ww2.whidbey.net/jameslux/woodgas.htm

http://freeweb.deltha.hu/zastava.in.hu/wood-gas.htm

http://highforest.tripod.com/woodgas/woodfired.html


How to

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/t0512e/t0512e00.pdf

http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks/producer/index.html

http://www.hotel.ymex.net/~s-20222/gengas/kg_eng.html


History

http://www.fe.doe.gov/aboutus/history/syntheticfuels_history...


Latest news

http://www.whatsnextnetwork.com/technology/index.php/2006/04...

http://www.whatsnextnetwork.com/technology/index.php/2006/04...


Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_gas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Producer_gas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator


Resources

http://www.repp.org/articles/static/1/1011975339_7.html

http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodfire.html#woodgas

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[*] posted on 27-6-2006 at 17:23


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Cold air tends to literally suck the energy out of your combustion reaction. If both the fuel vapor and air are very hot when the reaction is triggered, you will be much closer to getting the maximum amount of energy possible for that reaction.


No, thats not true. You still get the same delta T, if mass and fuel energy are the same. BUT the potential efficiency is higher if the whole process runs colder.
Engine efficiency on Wikipedia

If you look at the efficiency eqn for a non-reversible heat engine you can see that n will be higher as Tc/Th gets smaller. This can be rewritten as Tc/(Tc+deltaT). If deltaT is fixed by the energy input and mass of the system, the only way to increase efficiency is to make Tc smaller (ie colder!)

In fact I think it was NASA developed an engine running on liquid Nitrogen (cold store) and atmospheric heat (as a heat source) and they acheived an efficiency of around 77%!




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[*] posted on 29-6-2006 at 08:30


I think the issue with temperature in an internal combustion engine generally revolves around predetonation. "High performance" engines run on premium fuel. Premium fuel is less explosive. Not more. This is done to prevent predetonation and increase timing and compression.

I believe H being used in an internal combustion engine would have to be done at cooler temperatures(not cryogenic temps) in order to produce best power output at best effeciency. The more explosive the fuel(more power) the greater the issue of predetonation.
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[*] posted on 6-7-2006 at 21:38


Alchohol fuel

http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e08.htm

Alchohol can be used as supplemental to gasoline without

blending the two in the same tank. This way you can retain

the option to carburate it separately into the intake.

Just run the gasoline mix leaner.

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