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Tutoring
So I was joking with a good friend of mine about how much money I could charge for a hands on chemistry tutoring in the summer, like if I matched what
the area high school teach for chemistry and do experiments. Obviously faced with all of the danger associated with it and the fact eventually someone
would sign up just to get hurt and sue it was pretty clear it was a joke.
But then I thought seriously what if I did lecture style tutoring with a lab as the focal point? If I keep it extremely basic and stuff theres no way
I couldnt teach basic chemistry, that is probably the part I (all of us) are the strongest in just because its basic. Is that something someone could
do? Has anyone done it? I ask because when I was in college I could have been a chemistry tutor so for a small one on one or something you dont need
any formal degree I am assuming. Has anyone tried opening their lab for a lecture style learning course? It would be a great way to show the community
what amateur chemistry is really like, in that your not making drugs with your lab its for educational purposes only.
I just thought this was a place to toss the idea around.
Chemistry is a natural drive, not an interest.
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I have seriously considered a similar idea. The issue however is liability. No matter how basic the chemistry is kept, dangerous chemicals will
likely be present, even if not used, and glassware will be used. ~Most~ High school students are remarkably immature and if any glassware is used
whatsoever there is a chance of breakage and thus injury from the broken glass. Any heat source can cause burns, and solvents such as ethanol could
catch fire. Any of these injuries could result in a claim on your insurance, especially with the trigger happy lawyers throughout the US. If
homeowners finds out that a claim was placed on your insurance as a result of having a chemistry lab, they could likely drop you and it may be
difficult to find another insurance company.
I think it's a good idea, but I think the legal aspects need to be carefully monitored. In addition, there is always a chance that someone calls the
cops thinking that it's a meth lab.
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And thats true but what if the reactions were done by the teacher only. I would think the risks could be minimized especially since things dont just
happen, if you pick things that you would have to really really make a huge mistake on to it even be remotely dangerous I think you could remove it
far enough where you could be comfortable doing it. The risk of injury is really the only issue I can think of. The nice thing about chemistry is sure
there may be more then one path to a solution but there are direct and well traveled paths so if you design a curriculum like a teacher you wouldnt
risk giving false information or getting stumped somehow yourself.
I think we all run the risk of people thinking its a meth lab. I dont think you could have a much better reason then you teach chemistry to the areas
children as a second job and your damn good at it too because you offer a different approach.
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If i were in the USA i'd happily pay for 1-2-1 summer tutoring and make it worthwhile in $.
The Teacher would need to know seriously more than me, so 1st year students or higher 
Disclaimer/no trace of any evidence in case of accident etc etc.
To be honest, i'd pay to just watch someone doing interesting synths with apparatus/processes i have not seen before.
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Quote: Originally posted by szuko03  | | So I was joking with a good friend of mine about how much money I could charge for a hands on chemistry tutoring in the summer |
To put some $ value on it, i'd pay $100 a day to go through 1 to 3 synths a day, start to finish (obviously depends on the synth).
Edit:
To be fair, i'm probably atypical for your target market (if that indeed exists at all)
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I know in effect we would all do that and that is basically what college is lol but an independent chemist running it would have the ability to charge
by the class unlike a university. But for the purpose of convocation, considering I believe a large part of us are capable of doing this, it is for
demonstration only as in the students do not touch the glass at least when its being used.
But I would imagine if a highly skilled chemist worked with his lawyer he could come up with a way to do what your suggesting without assuming
liability.
[Edited on 2-5-2015 by szuko03]
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It may not exactly be the same, but there are often school organizations, ACS symposiums, department interest fairs, and the like that allow students
to perform lab-like demonstrations and teach some basic chemistry concepts, even in outreach settings such as high schools.
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You can make a lot of money from chemistry tutoring even without lab. Skyrockets if you can lure a group of homeschoolers.
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Well I live in a small town that is neighbored by 2 or 3 "rich suburbs" so I know I could get a few people to sign up a session if I were to do it
myself. And they have plenty of massive tutor operations and I am sure some of them are chemistry based but the thing that I offer that others wouldnt
would be You sign up for a course with Szuko, hes the teacher grader and what have you. And a lack of rigid constructs means that it could be taught
in an alternative manner and appeal to those who may not grow as quickly in a more classical setting.
I know the lab isnt needed but many of us have one, it could be considered the draw in a sense. You dont get someone who is in a sense "forced" to
teach for a career but rather someone whose passion is the subject someone who lives for chemistry so much it comes out of him in the form of
teaching.
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This is something that I'd like to do someday. I think it would be great to have these tutoring groups all over the world eventually. It would really
help promote home chemistry in a direct way, and make it more of an everyday thing that people should be more familiar with.
Also, can't you just ask that all of the students read and agree to a disclaimer stating that they must follow all of the necessary safety rules and
whatnot to avoid liability? That's what they make us do at school.
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| Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | | Also, can't you just ask that all of the students read and agree to a disclaimer stating that they must follow all of the necessary safety rules and
whatnot to avoid liability? That's what they make us do at school. |
I'm sure you could have a lawyer write up something that covers a lot of things but there is always some liability due to negligence something as
simple as a slip and fall.
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I hate this shit. Professional chemistry is all about losing your fingers and eyes, everything else is just a kindergarden level or
pussy-beware-deadly-HCl level. What doesn't kill tou makes you stronger.
I breathed in ammonia and different amines, HCl, HBr, HI, Cl2, Br2, fumes of H2SO4, was burning cyanogen, spilled conc H2SO4 and NaOH so many times on
my unprotected hands (HCl and glacial acetic aced are not even dangerous),lost my hearing for a few minutes after testing some fun stuff, got a
dillute H2SO4 into my eye one time, although I have all personal protecting equipment required (hands, eyes, ears, breathing); burned a decent piece
of the floor. And I have never ever seen a fume hood in my life.
I'm just sad to see some pussies afraid of breaking their limbs while doing sports. Come on, you will die anyway - just choose funnier way to die.
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| Quote: Originally posted by byko3y | I hate this shit. Professional chemistry is all about losing your fingers and eyes, everything else is just a kindergarden level or
pussy-beware-deadly-HCl level. What doesn't kill tou makes you stronger.
I breathed in ammonia and different amines, HCl, HBr, HI, Cl2, Br2, fumes of H2SO4, was burning cyanogen, spilled conc H2SO4 and NaOH so many times on
my unprotected hands (HCl and glacial acetic aced are not even dangerous),lost my hearing for a few minutes after testing some fun stuff, got a
dillute H2SO4 into my eye one time, although I have all personal protecting equipment required (hands, eyes, ears, breathing); burned a decent piece
of the floor. And I have never ever seen a fume hood in my life.
I'm just sad to see some pussies afraid of breaking their limbs while doing sports. Come on, you will die anyway - just choose funnier way to die.
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Well, whatever. You want to die young from some reckless accident, then go ahead. Personally, I'd rather
live a long and happy life and be able to enjoy chemistry for many more years. That isn't to say that all of the legal implications that come with
educating people about chemistry are good. They're not. They are very limiting and rather pointless. If someone is irresponsible and gets their self
hurt, that's pretty much on them. As long as the safety equipment is provided and students are taught how to use it, there should be no grounds to sue
the instructor or the associated organization. Unfortunately, the justice system says otherwise.
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| Quote: Originally posted by byko3y | I hate this shit. Professional chemistry is all about losing your fingers and eyes, everything else is just a kindergarden level or
pussy-beware-deadly-HCl level. What doesn't kill tou makes you stronger.
I breathed in ammonia and different amines, HCl, HBr, HI, Cl2, Br2, fumes of H2SO4, was burning cyanogen, spilled conc H2SO4 and NaOH so many times on
my unprotected hands (HCl and glacial acetic aced are not even dangerous),lost my hearing for a few minutes after testing some fun stuff, got a
dillute H2SO4 into my eye one time, although I have all personal protecting equipment required (hands, eyes, ears, breathing); burned a decent piece
of the floor. And I have never ever seen a fume hood in my life.
I'm just sad to see some pussies afraid of breaking their limbs while doing sports. Come on, you will die anyway - just choose funnier way to die.
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You will quickly find you are the minority.
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In the vein of money making ....
If you're surrounded by rich 'burbs, why not do Practical lessons that would not really need that much on the way of actual chemistry ?
E.G. A Simple Test for a mom to do to see if their kid has traces of secondary amines on their clothes.
How to tell if your kid is spaced out far beyond Pluto, or simply moongrazing.
What to Do if you find your kid not breathing, evidence of drugs nearby etc etc.
These kind of things Sell in large doses.
You can make money from Fear and Ignorance every time.
When you have to Teach before you can Sell, that hardly ever makes any money.
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| Quote: Originally posted by byko3y | | I hate this shit. Professional chemistry is all about losing your fingers and eyes, everything else is just a kindergarden level
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Your post has a Kindergarten ring to it.
'Professional' basically means 'Getting Paid For It'.
It's easier to repeat the Getting Paid part when you have all available eyes still functioning after the procedure.
Not everything has to explode to be interesting, as you will no doubt discover, provided you have at least 1 remaining eye to see it.
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Well the purpose of this thread was to generate discussion based on profiting off of our specific type of skill set. Because the world doesn't fully
understand what we do so we can use what we know to profit and maybe not through fear and stuff but those ideas are good for discussing too.
But as far as my exact spot I used it because and perhaps I'm mistaken but it is probably mirrored in a lot of members. I want this to be about any
type of profiting through chemistry almost all of our members can do. It's extremely fun and useful so there has to be tons of side projects to
discuss.
[Edited on 3-5-2015 by szuko03]
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Ah. Idealistic stuff where everyone gains has never worked for me.
Focusing on the $ and getting my $100k in worked better.
It's a bit like fishing : you can really only be very good at catching fish on your own, or with others equally as good at catching fish as yourself.
It only takes one idiot who likes to play loud music and talk all the time, and nobody catches any fish at all.
Maybe it's an Age thing.
If it's $ you want, forget Evangelical Chemistration.
Sell what people Want To Buy, not what you want to sell.
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For the Young, the Very Best way to 'Change Everything To Make It Better' is simply to become part of the System, do extremely well, become President,
or even get a job with some Actual power and change things from the INSIDE.
Shouting about it and fiddling around from the Outside changes nothing.
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True but I ready missed the boat on the true secondary amine test market in the north east. The music scene already has an organization that sells
them pretty cheap. I know it's not the same market but that ones way bigger.
But no I give you credit now if I were to follow the DARE and MAD convention circuit I could make a good amount of money.
[Edited on 3-5-2015 by szuko03]
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You perhaps missed the Bigger market : The Mothers.
How to tell if Your Kid is using Drugs : $50
Drugs testing Kit : $25 (can be used 5 times)
etc.
The Kids have never been good earners, so go where the $ resides : the parents.
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Thinking up a sales pitch, assuming you're about 14 to 18 years old ..
"Your kids may or may not be using Drugs.
Does that worry you ?
Are you sure they tell you the Truth about everything ?
Do You wash their clothes ?
Five drops of Szuko #2 will show you for sure if your kid had Meth in their pocket.
A mere 4 drops of Szuko #5 will show you straight away if they ever had Cannabis in there.
One drop of Szuko #9 will show if they got their girlfriend pregnant.
All indicators colors wash away in a normal wash ..." (terms and conditions apply)
Anyone with a brain could make a Fortune out of that in the USA.
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The understatement of the century. In the present age of "follow your dreams", this point is missed very often.
However, once finished with college I plan to volunteer, teaching chemistry and other sciences at private schools and/or homeschooling functions.
It's very much needed. My day job would be used to buy materials and provide the funding necessary to make that happen. Outside funding almost
always has strings attached to it. A self-funded teacher has more freedom to set up a curriculum, and doesn't rely on school funding to purchase
materials.
After a number of years the teaching thing may end up paying me well, but I'm not counting on that.
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Chiming in as a teacher here.
Having knowledge and understanding is one thing. Disseminating that is quite another. It is a mistake to think, "I know this stuff therefore I can
teach it." It doesn't always work that way. Yes you will find highly motivated students who value learning and who will pick up a decent
understanding through mere exposure. And you will also find people who have a passion, are lucid and explain things well and in an entertaining
fashion who do a reasonable job of teaching. However, there is a reason why teachers are trained professionals.
To make a proper stab at this idea and to maximise profitability, having a demonstrated teaching ability would be a prerequisite. Something to
consider.
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | the Very Best way to 'Change Everything To Make It Better' is simply to become part of the System, do extremely well, become President, or even get a
job with some Actual power and change things from the INSIDE.
Shouting about it and fiddling around from the Outside changes nothing. |
We are the actual power, though many people don't understand it and don't use their power. Just like they don't understand that president is not the
actual power.
People want to buy things they are tought to buy via TV and other media. I'm pretty sure people can easily live without 95% of stuff they buy. So
create you own demand - and people will buy your stuff. This is the way most economics work, especialy those of north america and europe.
In fact, I have never had any injury. Mostly because I know the things I do, and I know what to do in case things are going not as expected.
And I'm really paranoid because of safety in fact. For example, I do not handle more than 10g of primary explosive, I don't try any synthesis with
phosgen, cyanides (the only one with cyanogen was small scale and the cyanogen was burning as soon as it came from the reaction) , I don't use water
cooling for sulfuric acid distillation, and I try to absorb any dangerous stuff that may coem from the reaction.
I just wanted to say that you can't learn chemistry without taking risks. Next time you will try your reaction and something will go wrong, and you
will have no idea about what to do, because all your life you were doing safe experiments.
Also, after you spilled a lot of corrosive shit on you hands, your skin becomes like 2-3 mm thick alkali and acid resistant.
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ditto for j_sum's post
knowing and teaching are very different beasts.
how many times as a student do you lament that some lecturer knows heaps but just cant teach?
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