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[*] posted on 8-10-2015 at 15:39
How dangerous is it? How should it be done?


Ok, after doing this one:
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=63872#...

I´ve managed to get my hand into some H2SO4(Cars´batteries)
CaO(Any contruction site)
Na2CO3
(Decomposing Sodium bicarbonate{NaHCO3}and water[Bye, bye CO2])

And I´d like to mix them up to get CaCO3 and CaSO4
CaO + 2H2O --> Ca(OH)2

Ca(OH)2 + H2SO4 --> CaSO4 + 2H2O

Ca(OH)2 + Na2CO3 --> CaCO3 + 2NaOH

So, how can I do it?
Which equipment would I need?
How can I handle sulfuric acid? Where can I place it for the reaction?
Where should I do it?
What if it goes wrong?
How do I get rid of of the NaOH Ill get?
Just add water, boil, add water and boil... Over and over, since the two salts Ill be getting are insoluble?

Any suggestions?
Sorry for the bad english and the bad Chemestry(Still in High school)
Thx for the help :3

[Edited on 9-10-2015 by Acuarey]
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[*] posted on 8-10-2015 at 15:44


Just use glass to handle the acid. Always wear PPE, and don't let the CO2 produced foam the Acid all over your kitchen. Huh congrats on finding the Calcium Oxide, if I were you I would personally save it for something better.
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[*] posted on 8-10-2015 at 16:06


Check your stoichiometry.
Reaction 1 is unbalanced. No H2 produced.

Reaction 2 is a simple acid base reaction. Your problem will be getting your Ca(OH)2 to dissolve -- it is not really soluble. (Seems this particular question has cropped up a dozen times in the last 48 hours.) If it is dissolved you will get a precipitate -- probably very fine and a pain to try to separate. But in principle, it should work. If you just add dilute H2SO4 to your calcium hydroxide powder then you will need excess acid and you will need to wash thoroughly to get your CaSO4. Do-able, but I wonder why. Just buy some plaster of Paris and be done with it. I would not waste the sulfuric acid.

Reaction 3 -- again this seems to have come up quite a bit lately. It should work, but again you have fun with solubilities and separation. neither of your two calcium compounds are particularly soluble. I am not sure off the top of my head which is more soluble and whether you will get a precipitate. It will be pH dependent in both cases. There are easier ways of getting calcium carbonate.

Getting CaO from a building site? I would not vouch for its purity in any way. Building materials are what they are to achieve the functionality they need. there is no reason for manufacturers to aim for purity. There is likely to be all manner of crap in there.
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[*] posted on 8-10-2015 at 16:11


Quote: Originally posted by Acuarey  
Ok, after doing this one:
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=63872#...

I´ve managed to get my hand into some H2SO4(Cars´batteries)
CaO(Any contruction site)
Na2CO3
(Decomposing Sodium bicarbonate{NaHCO3}and water[Bye, bye CO2])

And I´d like to mix them up to get CaCO3 and CaSO4
CaO + 2H2O --> Ca(OH)2 + H2

Ca(OH)2 + H2SO4 --> CaSO4 + 2H2O

Ca(OH)2 + Na2CO3 --> CaCO3 + 2NaOH

So, how can I do it?
Which equipment would I need?
How can I handle sulfuric acid? Where can I place it for the reaction?
Where should I do it?
What if it goes wrong?
How do I get rid of of the NaOH Ill get?
Just add water, boil, add water and boil... Over and over, since the two salts Ill be getting are insoluble?

Any suggestions?
Sorry for the bad english and the bad Chemestry(Still in High school)
Thx for the help :3

It is not so dangerous to do that.. but Calcium oxide is hard to get & it is not practical because you'll get a rid of NaOH
The dangerous thing is that you may think you need a concentrated sulphuric acid so keep away of this please.
You should instead try to make your mercury cell.. I am trying to do that too. Otherwise you can buy NaOH. I wish good luck for you, & hope to hear from you soon..
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[*] posted on 8-10-2015 at 16:17


Quote: Originally posted by Hawkguy  
Just use glass to handle the acid. Always wear PPE, and don't let the CO2 produced foam the Acid all over your kitchen. Huh congrats on finding the Calcium Oxide, if I were you I would personally save it for something better.

He just has to do that outdoor, or in an open & ventilated area, which doesn't contain any thing can react whith the acid.
Also, he has to wear a kind of safety glasses, of course with gloves, & may be a gas mask.. the last thing to mention, that he should make a diluted sodium bicarbonate solution as a precaution..
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[*] posted on 9-10-2015 at 01:04


Don't see why concentrated sulfuric acid might be required. Ordinary Bat will do. It is somewhat corrosive, but its main danger is not burned flesh: it's ruined pants. Every little drop of battery acid that ends up on your clothes will eventually turn into a big hole. The only treatment is washing your clothes in washing soda immediately after exposure.



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