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[*] posted on 15-9-2017 at 19:18
Private forum for discussing patentable ideas?


With the amount of experimentation in this forum, some members here have made some quite impressive discoveries, that don't appear to have been documented before. Some of these discoveries and inventions could even be patented, however if you post the details of a discovery publicly, you forfeit the rights to any future patents. A forum that wasn't publicly viewable, and that admins would have to grant access to, wouldn't have this issue though. So if a member discovers something patentable, they could have somewhere to discuss that possibility without forfeiting patent rights.

It could be called "Patents Pending" or something. No need to give away all of the ideas we come up with here for free.




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[*] posted on 16-9-2017 at 00:47


Interesting idea. I am wondering how much use it would get. I know it is the first place I would read if it came up in the daily posts..
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[*] posted on 16-9-2017 at 07:55


First, what is being proposed would likely run afoul of prior disclosure rules relating to patentability of an invention. Any disclosure of a potential invention to any outside party not subject to non disclosure or confidentiality agreements becomes prior art and can be cited against you by the patent examiners. Even if your disclosure was on a "protected" forum, such communication must be disclosed when you file as it falls into the realm of prior art. Second, if an idea or proposal were to be discussed in such a forum, there would also arise issues of inventorship and possible litigation due to input from all participants. Finally, without non-disclosure agreements, anyone on the forum could steal an idea, reduce it to practice (which is the actual basis of an invention, not just the seminal idea) and have a potential patent all to themselves.

If you really think you have a patentable invention (idea AND reduction to practice), consult a patent lawyer or patent agent. It is the only way to protect yourself.

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[*] posted on 16-9-2017 at 19:20


Why not just have an NDA that's legally binding for North America, Europe, and Australia at least, then? There are definitely ways of entering into agreements over the internet that are legally binding, usually by providing your real name, country, etc. to some sort of third party service. Then an admin would just have to check to make sure that the third party's requirements were completed before approving anyone. A lot of times, these services are free for the basics, then only charge money if their users need something more complicated.



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[*] posted on 17-9-2017 at 11:24


I am quite new to this forum, but I dislike the idea of private threads.
If that is what is needed to protect your idea, so be it, but if you are asking other people for suggestions, wouldn't that mean that they had a hand in the creation of the finished product? (The product here could be a chemical, a method of producing a chemical, etc.) If a user's suggestions are going to get incorporated into the completion of the final product, then denying them at least partial credit would violate (certainly Candian, probably other countries') patent laws. If you have them sign away their rights to credibility on an invention, why would anyone bother offering their time and knowledge so that someone else could make money on it?
I much prefer the idea of, if you have an idea that requires other people's input to make it work, post it in the forum to which it corresponds and forget about patenting it. If you have an idea that you want to patent, don't post it publicly, and consult a patent lawyer. If you really need more input on your idea, don't ask random strangers on the internet to sign NDA's and instead talk to people who you know actually know what they're talking about in the field of science you need them to.
Just my opinion on the matter.
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[*] posted on 17-9-2017 at 13:16


The main reason I spend as much time here as I do, is because that's where pretty much everyone I know that knows anything about chemistry is. I'm no longer a student at a university, and am too far away to effectively use the resources of the university I attended.

I asked for advice from professors at my university, who gave it free of charge. The benefit would be helping a fellow community member achieve greatness, I guess. And if they did, then we could even start a sciencemadness chemistry scholarship program or something. You don't think that'd be pretty cool?

A lot of the work of getting a patent is just figuring out if something is actually patentable. Also, knowing things like that if you post details about it in public, you forfeit rights to ever patent it. So the assistance would often just be help navigating the system, or making sure an idea is actually innovative enough to qualify for a patent. Then of course, there's the question of, even if you can get a patent, is this idea actually worth anything? These are all questions that I believe the community here could have a lot of valuable insight on, more so than anywhere else I might think to ask.

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[*] posted on 17-9-2017 at 14:12


Quote: Originally posted by Melgar  
The benefit would be helping a fellow community member achieve greatness, I guess. And if they did, then we could even start a sciencemadness chemistry scholarship program or something. You don't think that'd be pretty cool?


No, I really do think that would be cool. I'm just wondering how many people would actually do that? I would, if I knew anything worth sharing at this point in my life, I was just doubtful that others would have done the same. Perhaps many people would, and I was wrong on that.
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[*] posted on 17-9-2017 at 14:55


I'd always offer a helping hand if possible. Don't need $ or credit to the occasion or what's the point of "helping"... It would just be a job otherwise. But it would be cool to give SM a one time payoff or small % so the site could continue to provide a positive force in the amateur chemistry field. Just my 2ยข



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