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Ballotechnics
I am sure all of you heard of red mercury or Hg2Sb2O7...whether or not it exists is left to conjecture for the moment. But are there not other
materials that have a ballotechnic nature?
Ballotechnics as some of you may or may not know is a material that when subjected to shock (usualy heat or shockwave) emits ridiculously massive
amounts of energy, most of it being heat. I do know of some isotopes that are ballotechnic in nature. Those being: ,osmium-187m, platinum-186m. These
nuclear isomers will exhibit ballotechnic properties under certain circumstances.
Now we all understand there properties in enhancing nuclear reactions but could they not also be used to enhance the output on a conventional
explosive. Since the power of an explosive is based primarily on v.o.d. and heat produced. Ballotechnic material radiates intense heat possibly way
way more than a thermite reaction, I assume they would also accelerate the v.o.d. Under the definition of a ballotechnic material wouldn’t thermite
also be considered one too?
Does anyone know of any synth for ballotechnic material?
I have read some for cinnibar but like I said red mercury seems to be a farse as of now.
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Those are not "nuclear isomers" but nuclides, isotopes, and the m stands for metastable. I have not looked up the half lives but I would expect them
to be brief.
Never heard of your mercury antimony oxide. Nor of ballotechnic materials. So cannot comment.
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oh yes
yes my mistake...
will correct post
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Mr. Wizard posted this item
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=2148&a...
There continues to be investigation into developing a GRASER gamma wavelength
emission lasing device. This of course will have to work with atomic nuclei analogous
to the way light emitting lasers work with electron shells , for controlled nuclear decay
of an engineered material ( isotope ). Actually not much different from controlled fission
except that if reactor fission is like a lightbulb then a GRASER is like a laser.
This methodology differs from coupling the radiance from a nuclear blast to channel
it as coherent x-rays. Its comparable to cold chemiluminesence and more like slow
burning an explosive as a rocket propellant.
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interesting
Thats very interesting. So ballotechnic material can be used to boost energy weapons as well?!
should have figured as much.
I suppose as I read, material like that could help us to experiment with controled fusion.
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The post franklyn quted said nothing about ballotechnics, and nothing about the isotopes you mentioned.
Graser = gamma ray amplification by stimulated emission of radiation.
Such a device does not exist and is rather far from existing, what I have read about it is centered on a metastable Hafnium isotope, that does not
exist in sufficient quantities to produce a practicable graser, no one has managed so far to get anything to grase. This is regarded as the holy grail
of high energy physics, a lofty yet remote goal.
Whoever succeeds will not only have an incredible energy weapon but also and perhaps more importantly, the key to next-generation chipmaking, at
resolutions neither light nor x-rays can achieve, but coherent gamma rays could.
So the stakes are high. Just don't expect this real soon.
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Whoever succeeds will not only have an incredible energy weapon but also and perhaps more importantly, the key to next-generation chipmaking, at
resolutions neither light nor x-rays can achieve, but coherent gamma rays could. |
You're so funny. So if you invented a graser, you'd compute your enemies to death instead of vaporizing them with a nasty gamma ray pulse? 
Seriously, where does this "ballotechnics"come from? Is it conjecture or do you have some references?
One shouldn't accept or resort to the mutilation of science to appease the mentally impaired.
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conjecture
well ballotechnics are a real field of study and is recently being expanded. But as far as the "Red Mercury" that is left to conjecture as to that
material existing....
here is a link describing red mercury and its uses ....perhaps some of you will give your input as to if this is real,govt farse, are there chemicals
that come close to that description:
on red mercury- http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=red%20mercury
on ballotechnics- http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1730561
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Here are the references cited in that extremely dodgy and dubious page on alleged ballotechnic materials.
I don't see Science, Nature, DOE Abstracts, or any of the peer reviewed physics journals.
We are told that Hg2Sb2O7 is irradiated in a nuclear reactor, and afterwards has a density that is "very high, especially for an oxide." 20,000 Kg/m3
sounds like 20 g/cm3 to me. Why talk about a cubic meter? This is supposed to be Reference 3.
We are not nuclear physicists, we are chemists, so let's ask ourselves a few chemical questions.
Does this mixed oxide exist? If so what is its density prior to supposed irradiation?
Frankly, all this sounds, on its face, like an Internet hoax. Let's get to the bottom of this. If a hoax, this thread belongs in DETRITUS.
Further: according to the dubious .pl page goblin posted, the sole proponent of the existance of these materials is Sam Cohen, described as "father of
the neutron bomb" while Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb and ead of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, supposedly dismissed these as
"nonsense."
It is clear from the same document that there is NO peer reviewed journal attention being paid to this subject, at all.
End of story.
DETRITUS
Note: a neutron bomb, properly called an enhanced radiation warhead, usually in a large caliber artilley shell, is simply the first two stages of a
thermonuclear weapon without the enshrouding fissionable jacket. Thus it has minimal blast (relatively speaking) but produces a lot of hard radiation
(esp neutrons) which are highly penetrating and the goal of such weapons was to kill tank crews without doing major damage to western Europe (it was a
Cold War concept designed to counter Soviet numerical superiority in armor.)
Anyway this topic is nonsensical.
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Ballotechnics is real, however it's not about magic nuclear death rays, but rather ordinary chemical reactions in solids or liquids that are triggered
or driven by shock waves. Generally does not concern itself with detonations, you see it in regards to specialised alloys and ceramics.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/r67216140h278437
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=n...
| Quote: | | There is a class of non-explosive energetic materials (``ballotechnics``), that undergo rapid shock-induced chemical reactions, but whose products
contain no vapor that can cause a rapid expansion upon pressure release.^The present paper presents a thermochemical model describing such reactions
in terms analogous to detonation.^By contrast, however, the chemical energy in ballotechnics is converted mostly to heat rather than work by the shock
wave, and an unsupported reaction wave will decay.^In the absence of volatiles, there are no large increases in pressure, specific volume, or particle
velocity associated with ballotechnic reactions.^Thus, experimental methods normally applied to high explosives are insensitive, and time-resolved
temperature measurements are the most appropriate.^The pressure-volume-velocity relationships are strongly dependent on small amounts of volatiles
(such as water) when present, but the shock temperature is not.^Thermochemically, the possibility of a true detonation in a volatile-bearing
ballotechnic powder cannot be precluded.^By the same arguments, geochemical detonations in volatile-saturated, supercooled magmas are possible.
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http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_...
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So the term is real but what it describes is nothing of the sort described in goblin's citation.
And Red Mercury sounds as likely as Red Kryptonite.
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Red mercury, and later osmium-187m, platinum-186m, and similar isotopes, were popular materials to offer for sale back in the 1990s, if you were
Russian or could fake it. RIpe-off scams to separate shady characters from their money, it's still not clear how much of the trade was simple
flim-flam men and how much was various governments undercover agents out to investigate and possible capture people and groups interested in making
nuclear weapons. After 2000, it's not as likely to have been US agents, as the anti-proliferation program was wound down.
Red mercury transformed from being some sort of wonder explosive and/or nuke trigger, into being something used in "stealth paint" or other defense
related tech magic. This was likely due to the radiodecay of the red mercury into a new isotope, I mean, to people figuring out that the claims
didn't match established science or to all the marks having been scammed.
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Hah! My gut instinct was correct.
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thought so
yeah I thought the Red Mercury was a farse, but perhaps it was just a overshot on the expectations of ballotechnics?
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Now I am confused , as to what is a Ballotechnic. How does this differ from explosive compaction ?
Does the cap primed detonation of Copper oxide and Aluminum meet the definition ?
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=127&am...
Alternatively , would a solid state chemical laser ? ( I don't recall the halogen compound )
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ballotechnic
ballotechnic material will not explode when subjected to shock, but rather emit massive amounts of heat in a short span of time... much like
un-confined flash powder.
The material does rapid burning but with way more heat output.
If you can imagine the heat of thermate with the quick burn time of flash powder.
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I have a hard time believing that this "alloy" will have a density of 20g/cc (which is in the realm of tungsten and, for that matter, plutonium). That
part certainly sounds like bullshit.
But, I have, at least an an off-hand-oblique way heard of this, viz. absurd kinetics in shockwaves. This has been manifest in light, heat, and, I
think, electricity. I remember years ago when (in a class) we made tetrabutylammonium octachlorodirhenate, a compound with a true 4th order bond. The
point of this was to ship it to Sandia to blow it up and see what happened (familiar?).
I do know that ultrasonic caviation of bubbles can provide not only light (sonoluminescence), but extremely high temperatures (thousands of K).
Recently, some interesting chemistry has (putatively) been observed under these conditions (some stuff which is decidedly forbidden by MO theory).
Maybe there is some similarity?
Oh yes, Edward Teller was involved in the cold war projects, amongst which (brilliant pebbles, etc.) was an X-ray laser powered by a nuke. I do
believe that they at least tested one of these things (maybe no results, but a test is enough to insure funding--particularly when the "lasing medium"
is so impressive in its own right).
I thought neutron weapons involved transduction (via conservation of mass and energy)of nuclear blast shockwaves from 90% conventional (in air) to 90%
radiation (vacuum), which might be strategically above the target so as to make best use of the 5% or so of the 2pi avialable geometry for intense
neutron flux (say, 10^24 n/cm2-s). This would require one hell of a big "one".
New ground for me, pure speculation,
Cheers,
O3
I actually found it! The year this was published makes it very likely that my batch was used in this (1000T B field, WOOT!):
Some aspects of data processing for an optical absorption experiment in a pulsed 1000-Tesla magnet
Leslie G. Butler 1 *, Andrew W. Maverick 1, Cenobio H. Gallegos 2, Jeffrey D. Goettee 3, Bruce R. Marshall 4, C. Maxwell Fowler 3, Dwight G. Rickel 3,
Joseph M. Gonzales 3, Leonard J. Tabaka 3
1Department of Chemistry, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803-1804
2Bechtel-Nevada, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87544
3National High Magnetic Field Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545
4Special Technologies Laboratory, Bechtel-Nevada, Santa Barbara, California 93111
*Correspondence to Leslie G. Butler, Department of Chemistry, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803-1804
Keywords
pulsed magnetic field • Zeeman effect • quadruple metal bonds • octachlorodirhenate
Abstract
A procedure is given for the analysis of optical absorption data acquired in the hostile environment of a pulsed 1000-Tesla magnet. © 1998 John
Wiley & Sons, Inc. Int J Quant Chem 70: 797-804, 1998
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Received: 30 March 1998; Accepted: 21 May 1998
Digital Object Identifier (DOI)
10.1002/(SICI)1097-461X(1998)70:4/5<797::AID-QUA26>3.0.CO;2-Y About DOI
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hmm
very interesting. I did not know about all that.
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The scalability of a H-weapon is a function of how much fissionable material you wrap around the two stage internal device. You can't scale A-weapons
like that. There are limits imposed by criticality issues and other engineering factors.
So if you you omit the tertiary fissile sheath, you achieve that conversion you were talking about, 2H or 3H to get fusion, you need 6Li, which does
not grow on trees.
Anyone who wants to look up any isotope can do so via Isotope Explorer software available free from LBL (Lawrence Berkeley Labs) or the Univ. od Lund,
Sweden. You can have their databases locally on your HDD or you can access them via the Net. Gammas and references, parent and daughter decay
chains, etc. Custom GUI shows the nuclide universe in the strangest periodic chart you will ever see.
I used this to puncture the proposition that the London murder was done with a thallium isotope that would be quickly undetectable doe to short half
life. Short half life yes but the decay daughters are also unnatural isotopes and easily detected (isotopes of Hg IIRC)
One of my friends is a nuclear physicist here who I helped out with some gamma spectroscopy software development a few years ago. Next time I see him
we will have a laugh about Red Mercury.
Gold Kryptonite, anyone?
And it takes more t
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Which, translating, is the classic triple F, fission-fusion-fission device. 6Li, which is lightweight, also packs the proper neutron configuration for
activation (and very rapid decay) into fusion fuel (ideally tritium, which is not used for obvious reasons, but is made in-situ). The standard A-bomb
serves to provide both the temperatures and pressures required for both activation and fusion of the fuel. The fuze is limited in yield, the package
is not (the bigger the package the bigger the yield). Huge neutron fluxes activate the casing, usally 238U (depleted) for (yet) extra yield.
And yes, my Chemist friends, the Chart of the Nuclides is you friend! It effectively adds the third dimension to the periodic table. Since 2H (D2O)
ice cubes sink (just a small example of how a small difference can be quite significant), there is obviously some (see isotope effect and kinetics)
serious ramifications toward chemical properties and reactivity (more so).
GeLi, SiLi or Na/Cs/I/Tl?
Was your friend on-board with the EG&G (via NIST) database? Before this, I remember getting raw G-specs (with a fricking DEC) and having to look
them all up in the handbook. Yarg!
And, IIRC, cinnabar or "red Hg" is simple HgS (occasionally native with globules of Hg°).
Teller and Sakharov really should have gone bowling,
O3
@Sauron, shall we touch on neutron configuration and the "island of stability"? This one really gets the goat.
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I just want some eka-gold.
Cinnibar is indeed red, but "red mercury" is supposedly not cinnibar. If it exists at all, which is doubtful IMO. I think not-important nailed it.
These are scams.
In the classic 3F device there is a guide tube between the fission trigger and the 6Li, this is an X-ray guide. Don't ask me how and why, I am not a
nuke designer.
Also IIRC it is standard practice to replenish tritium in stockpiled fusion weapons, the tritium is there to boost yield, and since tritium is not
very long lived, it has to be replenished over time. If you consider the age of a lot of these devices, you will see why.
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Yes; cinnabar, or vermilion, HgS, mercuric sulfide, is referred to also as "red mercury". Deposits of it are commonly found embedded in amorphous
silica in old hydrothermal vents. There is a largely worked-out deposit of it only a few miles from where I am. As well as a mercury ore, it is also
used as a paint pigment, although not so much in recent years because of its being poisonous.
As for "eka-gold", that must refer to the chemical homolog of Au, element 111, or roentgenium. However, the isotopes of it that have been synthesized
(by e.g. high-velocity bombardment of Bi-209 with Ni-64) so far are all very neutron-deficient and short-lived (longest half-life of it synthesized is
mass no.280, half-life 3.6 seconds, the heaviest isotope), so much so that it is unlikely that it will ever be isolated in visible bulk form as the
metal. If it could be isolated, it would probably have a lustrous orange-red color, high electrical conductivity, density at least 25 gm/cc, be very
soft and malleable, and although very corrosion-resistant it would be capable of forming a range of compounds with oxidation states of at least +6.
See also: http://books.google.com/books?id=0xcAM5BzS-wC&pg=PA184&a...
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Eka-gold
http://www.chemlin.net/chemical-elements/roentgenium.htm and references therein.
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I was making a joke, which is pretty much what I think of this entire topic.
Cinnibar most certainly is not Hg2Sb2O7, nor does it have a d of 20 g/cc before or after irradiation. By no definition, nor stretch of the imagination
is it ballotechnic. Why goblin injected cinnibar into this thread is beyond me, but then so is why he started this nonsensical waste of Polverone's
electrons.
But thanks for the aside on HgS.
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ballotechnics is not a joke....its as legit as pyrotechnics, cryogenics or particle physics.
I never said red mercury WAS cinnibar.....that’s just one of the possibilities.
what’s eating S?
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Ballotechnics as described by you and your "references" is a fraud.
Come up with one shred of peer reviewed scientific journal coverage of Hg2Sb2O7 irradiated and with a density of 20 g/cc exhibiting the properties you
describe. Likewise with the two isotopes you mentioned.
THERE ARE NONE.
At best the delusion of an eccentric old weapons designer (Sam Cohen) that has been ridiculed by every other scientist, inclusing notably Edward
Teller who called Cohen's postulated nonsense.
The real field of ballotechnics has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or any other kind of weapons.
The three materials you specified were commonly offered by con men from the former Soviet Union or posing as being from there, in the 1990s to anyone
gullible enough to fall for such horseshit.
Which does not include anyone on this forum except maybe you.
Your thread has as much to do with science as a Nigerian scam email.
You'll get more hard science out of a DC and Marvel comics collection.
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