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Basic question about forming Rochelle Salt

MilkTheFrog - 17-2-2012 at 08:39

Part of my AS Level Physics coursework involves giving a talk on the properties of a material. Now rather than just make a powerpoint and mumble over it i thought i'd be a little bit interesting and (well, try to) do a demonstration. Going by a certain makemag video i saw a while ago i decided to try to show and explain (that looks like it's going to be the tricky bit ;)) the piezoelectric properties of Potassium sodium tartrate.

Now i ordered some Potassium bitartrate and Sodium bicarbonate from the bay, they arrived today. This is where the question comes into it - every guide i've found on the net says to use Sodium Carbonate, or if you can't get it to bake Sodium Bicarbonate. However after a bit of searching on this forum i heard the suggestion to just use straight up bicarb. Is that possible? Are there any disadvantages to doing so?

Many thanks! :)

ScienceSquirrel - 17-2-2012 at 08:50

Best way to do it is to follow a recipe.

http://seawhy.com/xlroch.html

Adas - 17-2-2012 at 09:07

What is the use of Rochelle salt?

ScienceSquirrel - 17-2-2012 at 09:08

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochelle_salt

MilkTheFrog - 17-2-2012 at 09:10

Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel  
Best way to do it is to follow a recipe.

http://seawhy.com/xlroch.html


Yeah, that's one of the ones i was looking at. So you're saying it's not possible to just substitute the Sodium Carbonate with Sodium Bicarbonate?

[Edited on 17-2-2012 by MilkTheFrog]

ScienceSquirrel - 17-2-2012 at 09:16

Baking the sodium bicarbonate is easy and the sodium carbonate is a stronger and a lot more soluble base.
If you do not have much chemistry experience following the recipe is the easy way to go.

Magpie - 17-2-2012 at 09:34

Here's a thread with my pictures of Rochelle salt, which grew quite quickly:

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=6376#p...

In another thread I post the recipe:

"Weighed out 39g Cream of Tartar and added to 49 mL of water. Placed slurry in 250mL beaker in water bath using Corelle bowl on stirrer-hotplate. Heated until bath water at simmer. Added washing soda (Na2CO3) carefully with spatula until no more bubbles formed. Filtered hot solution into evaporating dish. ~2 hours later 7 large crystals of Rochelle salt had formed."