Ok I want to get a distillation set. I mostly do inorganic chemistry. I would like to get the cheaper one that uses stoppers and tubing but I was
wondering if I'll regret it and wish I got the glass joint what is the better choice? (I did UTFSE but my situation is different because I only like
inorganics which can be very different than organic) http://www.amazon.com/American-Educational-Products-7-400-2-...
Just buy glass joints and a proper tube of grease. It's worth it if your interests change. Should you have to sell it, you probably will do okay with
a glass kit, but there's not much market for stoppers and tubing. Also, if you have any intention of making nitric acid at some point, it cant be done
with stoppers.Mr_Magnesium - 2-12-2013 at 17:29
If you do get a glass kit make sure you choose a joint size that is common to get around your area.
Its a pain to replace 1-2 pieces that you can not get locally. BlackDragon2712 - 2-12-2013 at 17:56
I use 24/40 joints for my distillation apparatus. it is essential if you are into organic chemistry, in inorganic I don't see a bigger use other than
synthesis of some acids for the home chemist, other more advance stuff would require inert-atmosphere distillations. I think it would be a very good
experience for you to go into OC, it is really a new world!
btw go for the glass joint, if you are going to do inorganic chemistry and work with acids like nitric acid then you'll want to have only glass, even
if it's more expensive... also another point in favor is the condenser, it has much more superficial area and also allows water cooling, so I would go
for that one!!
Also the condenser will allow you to do organic chemistry if you decide to explore new frontiers in a future!
[Edited on 06/11/2013 by BlackDragon2712]bismuthate - 2-12-2013 at 18:11
Would a 14/45 joint be a good size.BlackDragon2712 - 2-12-2013 at 18:32
It depends if it is easy for you to get glass equipment for the distillation apparatus that are 14/45. the classical ones are 24/40 and 14/20, at
least in this side of the world...
24/40 joint means that it is 24mm at the top (widest diameter of the joint), and 40mm long knowing this as higher the numbers are, the more expensive
the pieces will be
[Edited on 06/11/2013 by BlackDragon2712]bismuthate - 3-12-2013 at 13:19
My vogel (3rd edition) published in 1948 basically calls
-http://www.amazon.com/American-Educational-Products-7-400-2-Distilling/dp/B006582LF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386030685&sr=8-1&keywords=di
stillation+kit
outdated and impractical.
you should look for something with 2 ground glass flasks, a 3-way adapter, a condenser with 2 ground glass joints, a 105* vacuum takeoff adapter and a
thermometer adapter.
that way you can buy much cheaper adapters to mix and match, that way you have a lot more choice. also if something breaks it's cheaper and easier to
replace
These are from china, but unless you will be using extreme temperatures and/or vacuum you won't need anything else. You can also get separate flasks
for different scale distillations
[Edited on 3-12-2013 by Pyro]bismuthate - 3-12-2013 at 13:44
[Edited on 3-12-2013 by bismuthate]Pyro - 3-12-2013 at 14:01
www.laboyglass.com
Will he let you buy from here? I got some of my stuff from here and it's pretty good quality, nothing like the German stuff but still pretty good.
for a little more money you get a LOT more value, the ebay one is from an unknown Chinese source and could be a massive disappointment, many SM
members (including me) can vouch for laboy and it's quality.bismuthate - 4-12-2013 at 11:56
I would really love to but I can't afford it
Although I do not plan to do any organic chemistry for some reason it doesn't apeal to me.Pyro - 4-12-2013 at 12:14
WHAT!
basically everything that can be distilled is organic. but you will be kicking yourelf if you go for a cheapo setup now and later have to spend more
money for a few extra things, an then there's the shipping time.
what exactly is your interest in chem?bismuthate - 4-12-2013 at 12:33
I love inorganics.
I'll make many acids, bromine, HCN and other toxic and corrosive things where improper glassware could hurt me.
I might be able to get the amazon one if I can earn some cash. (most of it would be paid for as a christmas gift)Pyro - 4-12-2013 at 12:39
Oh I thought they where used for both.
I guess I meant glassware clamps then.
It appears that they are included in the vacuum set that I think I will buy.AlChemicalLife - 9-12-2013 at 06:57
I recemend a 14/20 kit or a 24/40 kit, i wouldn't go with a cheapo Chinese distillation kit, Layboy is great ,Synthware is alwso a great , and
chemglass also has verity of glassware. Also stock up on clamps , you don't relies how many times i need another clamp because my set up is to big or
a have more than one reaction going.
[Edited on 12-9-2013 by AlChemicalLife]Zyklon-A - 15-12-2013 at 19:47
Would a retort be affective to make Nitric acid?
I think it would heat up to fast and then not condense it very well.zenosx - 16-12-2013 at 22:41
I will say this,, I NEVER regret having spent almost $100 on a good ground glass distillation set with clamps and stands... This is in 19/22 size.
19/22 is good for mid sized reactions, 14/20 (I think) is for even smaller sized, while the expensive but cool 14/10 sizes are great for micro
reactions.
24/40 is standard for US, and is a great all around size for every situation.
You will NOT regret buying an all glass distillation set, and you WILL MOST CERTAINLY regret buying a cheap cork/rubber stopper based distillation set
unless you plan on never distilling any acids. You will almost certainly look back and think "Damn, why didn't I just get the glass set when I had the
cash...."
HNO3 is one such acid that even inorganic chemists will want to have around and you cannot create it with a rubber stopper based, high school level
distillation rig...
Spend the extra $30-50 bucks,, and get a full glass set.
I purchased my first 19/22, full glass, ChemGlass brand distillation rig on ebay for $80...
I now have a full lab with multiple ground glass sizes, adapters and the like, and I still come back to 19/22 for my level of work (100mL -500mL), if
you plan to work higher than 500mL, I highly recommend 24/40
Or as others said, if you are across the pond,, use what is in your area,, 24/49, or w/e it is
Don't buy cheap, you will only regret it.
Zyklon-A - 17-12-2013 at 12:25
I know, I would never buy a distillation set up unless it was full glass, a retort however, is full glass, and its much cheaper, would it work?Funkerman23 - 17-12-2013 at 15:34
Bluntly: this is one time where it pays to buy the jointed glass set. A retort has it's uses but I've found , though hard won experience, that is
really is better not to buy less when you can buy better. A 24/40 jointed set, even a set from Laboy( though I'd advise a standard organic kit for ANY
starting situation. Inorganic chemistry can still use those different pieces just as well) is much safer and more reliable long term. Unintentional
was right: there isn't really any market for a used rubber stopper distillation kit. Buy a Jointed kit and you will be glad you did.Save the retort
for the theater dorks.bismuthate - 17-12-2013 at 17:03
i already ordered the vacuum distillation set and it arived today. i couln't afford a glassware kit .
Just looking for anybodys thoughts on SGV scientific and there glassware. First big boy distillation rig. Thanks violet sin - 17-12-2013 at 18:50
hey not trying to be a jerk, but every one doesn't have to open their own thread about each set of glassware... the topics can be stacked on the same
thread. there is currently an active thread (started this month even) still up on today's posts. that obviously means it's actively being used and
viewed. just because you are asking feedback on THIS set, doesn't mean you couldn't pop it right on in there and still get answers. be sure to read
the site guidelines about posting. not sure if this violates any rules per se, but it will more than likely get merged with others and that is work
for mods they don't really need to be putting in.
BTW welcome to science madness. it's a great site with lots of info so have fun, but lets keep it easy on the mod's as far as managing extra threads.
*** moderators: if this thread gets merged into an existing thread, feel free to delete this ***Nasalguad - 17-12-2013 at 19:09
Thanks for the link, and not being a dick. And the advice too. (P.S. this is my actual acount i made a new one then 5 mins later remembered my
password, i have now written it down ) Thanks.bismuthate - 25-12-2013 at 10:38
Hi so I need one more thing to be able to start distilling. (I just got my kit and I love the glassware) A hotplate. I was looking at this one http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007Y9DWSM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_img?... Does anybody have this/ think it would be good? If not does anyone Know of a good,
affordable hot plate (<$200 on amazon please (dad won't let my buy off Ebay))?Mailinmypocket - 25-12-2013 at 10:55
I've spoken with a few people here who have parents with serious issues towards eBay, why is this? Terrible experiences?
Anyhow, it's hard to say if the hotplate is good and/or how long it will be good for. The absolute best is to try and find a used brand name plate
such as IKA, PMC, Corning to mention a few. I managed to get a nice digital corning for 230$, off eBay though...Steve_hi - 25-12-2013 at 11:20
If people have an issue with ebay it's because they've got burned. About half the used stuff I've gotten from ebay was junk. When they say "powers up"
that's about all it does.
Also my daughter bought and paid for a cello and never received it.
[Edited on 25-12-2013 by Steve_hi]Zyklon-A - 25-12-2013 at 11:22
I have access to a great stove top hotplate, right in my lab, and a small hotplate as well.bismuthate - 25-12-2013 at 12:41
My dadg just won't buy from anyone but Amazon.
I would like a hot plate with a digital temp display. Is silicogex a good brand?Mailinmypocket - 25-12-2013 at 12:52
Keep in mind that the temp display doesn't mean much unless you have a probe that adjusts the heat to reach a specific temp in your reaction vessel.bismuthate - 25-12-2013 at 13:38
I would use atermometer and adjust the temp.Funkerman23 - 25-12-2013 at 22:21
My dadg just won't buy from anyone but Amazon.
I would like a hot plate with a digital temp display. Is silicogex a good brand?
Silicogex is right up there
with corning: very well made and usually priced out of reach. you can even find RBF heating blocks for the Silicogex stirplates unlike corning. Check
what voltage it runs on though.S.C. Wack - 26-12-2013 at 11:12
If there's going to be a lot of stirring and heating of say liter flasks, a mantle with built in stirrer is nifty. The jointed glassware maxim applies
to overhead stirring: totally worth it.
If people have an issue with ebay it's because they've got burned. About half the used stuff I've gotten from ebay was junk. When they say "powers up"
that's about all it does.
Also my daughter bought and paid for a cello and never received it.
IME anything with a motor/rotates in a lab is either rarely brand new in a dusty box (this typically applies to ASTM-related glassware) or most
typically on it's last legs when it comes up for auction. Something nice tends to wind up in another lab somehow. Schools on ebay are the best bet.
It almost goes without saying that the ebay/paypal machine is the devil. It's worse for the sellers. Some of this burning is from ebay policies and
the complaint staff's various interpretations of them. I'm shut out by refusing to hand them open access to a bank account (health care is also going
this way if you've been to the hospital lately) or third credit card, after reaching ebay lifetime payment to just under the credit limit of the
cards.bismuthate - 26-12-2013 at 13:40
Bear in mind this just MY opinion and I'm no where near as experienced as Dr Bob , but of those two I'd buy
the Scilogex because of the stirring function and the greater wattage allowing me more room for future growth( read: in case the amounts need to get
bigger). But the Corning plate you listed can go to 360 degrees versus the 280 degree limit on the scilogex stir plate. Here ;the best choice depends
on the work you will be doing.CaptainBanana53 - 7-1-2017 at 07:30
[Edited on 7-1-2017 by CaptainBanana53]Dr.Bob - 7-1-2017 at 10:58
I have heard of Laboy, they make decent quality Chinese glassware, not heard of the other one, but they might be made in same factory or might be
crap, hard to know. With either, I would have the expectation that it is probbly fine for basic stuff, some of the plastic or rubber parts may be
very poor quality, but the glass is likely OK. This might be a good starting point, and then you can replace anything not good, broken, or add
whatever that kit is missing. Both are cheap for the price of a basic kit for 24/40, but unless you are doing complex stuff, they likely will be
fine for most chemistry. I have even used a few Laboy flasks at work, that is what some vendors sell now in the US. They are thinner glass, but
that works fine in most cases. There shipping is also very low or free. Plus if it is really bad, you can complain to Amazon and make a claim.PirateDocBrown - 7-1-2017 at 11:37
The one with the Vigreaux column will likely be more useful, it seems to have more stoppers and clips, too.
However, Laboy has a better reputation for quality, insofar as cheap Chinese stuff goes.
If you aren't doing a lot of vacuum distillation, you don't need the strongest glass. But most people never regret buying quality.j_sum1 - 7-1-2017 at 13:13
Reacware is good quality. Nanshin is the same company. I am not sure if the glass is the same: it could be seconds or it could be just a different
brrand forr maarket saturation.
Laboy seems to be a different outfit but who really knows.
I have quite a bit from reacware and have had nothing fail except a dropped flask. I also have a bit from other cheap suppliers. And I have only
heard good things about Laboy. I think either set will help you get started.CaptainBanana53 - 8-1-2017 at 06:50
) Thanks.