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[*] posted on 24-12-2010 at 10:30
Reacting steel wool with H2SO4


I added some concentrated H2SO4 to some fine steel wool, the objective being to synthesise some Fe(II)SO4. The reaction started instantly and made a sizzling sound. I'm not too sure what SO2 smells like but I could definitely smell some H2S. The product was a greyish white foam (there was lots of unreacted stuff left over from the steel wool so its hard to say what the product actually looked like).

I read up on this reaction before I tried it but there was a lot of conflicting claims. Some sites claimed Fe2O3 is the product, some claimed its FeO while others claimed its FeSO4. There was no red product so I definitely didn't make any Fe2O3 and considering H2S was a product, not all, if any of the iron was converted to iron (II) sulphate. This would be my guess
3Fe + H2SO4 -> Fe3O4 + H2S
but this stuff wasn't black.
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[*] posted on 24-12-2010 at 11:59


If it wasnt black its not Iron(II,III) Oxide, but thats weird, not sure what it would be. FeO is black too. Anyway this should be posted in general chemistry, not reagent and apparatus acquisition, repost it there.



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[*] posted on 24-12-2010 at 12:16


Yuou have a solution of FeSO4, and maybe some Fe(III) formed too, because conc. H2SO4 is a decent oxidiser.

The black material is carbon, wich is present in steel.
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[*] posted on 24-12-2010 at 13:21


I made a bunch of ferrous something with steel wool and sulfuric acid too,but when i add it to potassium cyanate it turns orange.I think it may have some salt added for cleaning purposes.This really pissed me off as I added this crap to my other sulfate I had made with sulfuric acid and ordinary steel plate.My first batch made the prussian blue color immediately upon contact.I still get the prussian blue pigment but not until i add ordinary bleach.I found this out when I went to decompose it with sodium hypochlorite before discarding.
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[*] posted on 25-12-2010 at 10:22


It is quite easy to make ferrous sulphate from steel wool but it is important to remember two things. You must have a slight excess of acid and steel wool present in the solution at all times and handle without exposing to the air as much as possible to avoid oxidation and It has several hydrates. The hydrates are generally blue green and green but the monohydrate is whitish grey. Depending on concentration and temperature the various forms will crystallise.
Have a look at the solubility table here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_table#I
To get nice crystals of the blue green heptahydrate is a test of skill and some ability to calculate!
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[*] posted on 28-3-2011 at 10:12


So I just had a lovely mint green solution of FeSO4 then I got all excited and started to distill some excess water off, and yucky the oxidized product formed no mint-green remaining. I filtered it and the solution is significantly less mint-green but no more oxidized product is visible.

Wish I would have known about this oxidized product before!
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[*] posted on 28-3-2011 at 10:47


I have some wonderful crystals of ferrous sulfate- Anybody want some pictures?

And I agree- The minty crystals sure are lovely, it's very sad they don't like the fresh air :( I had a large batch I put in a small ziplock... And forgot to lock the zip :C
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[*] posted on 28-3-2011 at 11:28


Pictures would be awesome!

I initially thought this would be a cake-walk preparation. Added some H2SO4 to some steel wool thought that would be the end of it hehe. Now I'm concentrating it by adding more H2SO4 and much more steel wool.

It was weird as soon as I added more conc h2so4 to a dilute solution it turned pink until I added more steel wool. Now it's happily emitting H2S(I think) on the patio hehe.

Because I bumped an old thread I guess it is best to add something to it. So here's a procedure if anyone get's the old UTFSE in the future - http://www.crscientific.com/ferroussulfate.html.
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[*] posted on 29-3-2011 at 15:24


I had beautiful crystals but I had to break them down to get them out of the erlenmeyer, anyhow here's the final product of this :)

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