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[*] posted on 13-3-2014 at 14:36
Hydrazine dinitramide


This compound have an insane density !

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1011362427996...

Hydrogen bonding/crystal packing of this salt (Hydrazinium dinitramide [N2H5+] [N(NO2)2-]) have a density of 1.848!, almost 1.85, its brother ammonium dinitramide, with less nitrogen and hydrogen by weight, have a density of only 1.81.

I have yet to find Hydrazinium dinitramide's impact sensitivity and other characteristics such as HOF etc. However, I guess hydrazine dinimitrade's impact sensitivity will not be too high.

Hydrazine dinitramide's OB is a good +17.3%

More over it have much higher gas production than ADN while having more density, this is remarkable and hydrazine dinitramide might see some potential with this amazing crystal density if the impact sensitivty/ compatibility/ etc, are all in acceptable terms.
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[*] posted on 13-3-2014 at 15:14


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Hydrazinium dinitramide appears in a report published in 1993. SRI international developed this compound that bear the code name SRI-13.

From this report, the crystal density of SRI-13 is 1.83 g/cm3 (obtained by X-ray diffraction). The estimated heat of formation is -8 kcal/mol. According to this report, SRI-13 has no practical uses due to it's high impact sensitivity.

here's the 110 pages report:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a261496.pdf

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[*] posted on 13-3-2014 at 15:31


Thanks for finding that, how much sensitivity is ''no practical use''? The density still seems amazing, its one of the few salts of hydrazine that out-dense the ammonium derivative.

How true is this paper? This paper also mentioned that hydroxylammonium dinitramide is a liquid ?!

But check this out.



Shows that hydroxylammonium dinitramide is a solid, they said evaporated the dryness and precipitate with ether. A liquid does not ''precipitate''.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1011362427996

and this, how do they get the crystal data and everything if it was a liquid?

Impact sensitivity can be droped sometimes on different crystal size/ shape/ or they might had some impurities that effected the impact test, Any ways, hydrazine dinitramide probably does have a high impact sensitivity. Can you find any other paper or literature that stats its sensitivity ?

I also think the real density could be closer to this paper since this paper is devoted to the crystal and bonding of this compound. They also seem to have some good data and equipment too.

[Edited on 13-3-2014 by DubaiAmateurRocketry]
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[*] posted on 13-3-2014 at 16:02


Quote: Originally posted by DubaiAmateurRocketry  
Thanks for finding that, how much sensitivity is ''no practical use''? The density still seems amazing, its one of the few salts of hydrazine that out-dense the ammonium derivative.

How true is this paper? This paper also mentioned that hydroxylammonium dinitramide is a liquid ?!

But check this out.



Shows that hydroxylammonium dinitramide is a solid, they said evaporated the dryness and precipitate with ether. A liquid does not ''precipitate''.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1011362427996

and this, how do they get the crystal data and everything if it was a liquid?

Impact sensitivity can be droped sometimes on different crystal size/ shape/ or they might had some impurities that effected the impact test, Any ways, hydrazine dinitramide probably does have a high impact sensitivity. Can you find any other paper or literature that stats its sensitivity ?

I also think the real density could be closer to this paper since this paper is devoted to the crystal and bonding of this compound. They also seem to have some good data and equipment too.

[Edited on 13-3-2014 by DubaiAmateurRocketry]


before replying to thread, learn to read well the valuable information in your hand. Nothing weird between two sources that state two physical state for the same compound...this may happen during synthesis, you obtain a liquid that crystallize with time or vice-versa...

pay attention to what compound they took the crystal density. The compound is Hydroxylammonium-Hydroxylamine Dinitramide and not Hydroxylammonium Dinitramide...big difference.

"no practical uses" for the application intended by the author (e.g., rocket propellant...) or no practical uses in general, like nitrogen triiodide which is very sensitive and thus has no practical uses...

Finally, the big question: How true is this paper?

well, first this is a report and not a paper, learn to distinguish between the two.

The report is without doubt a true report made by a reliable source, SRI international...

Dany.
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