currawong
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Dubious Australian chemical seller
I found this website (https://ozcanium.com/collections/all) selling a lot of tempting chemicals including mercury and sodium metal at reasonable prices, but they are
also selling chemicals that I am pretty sure are illegal for sale to the public like acetic anhydride and lithium aluminium hydride. Oddly though
there are also a lot of chemicals for sale that are not particularly regulated like sodium hydroxide or organic solvents. Is it okay to order from
them or could it be some sort of police sting operation?
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currawong
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It does have an ABN and physical address (Physical address: 31 Maunder St, Regents Park NSW 2143, Australia, ABN: 14 754 514 569) but a lookup of the
ABN shows it was registered 01 Jul 2023 and active from 13 Jul 2021. The physical address is just a house though, not a warehouse or store.
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Radiums Lab
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He owns legit yt channel go check it out. I follow the channel too.
Water is dangerous if you don't know how to handle it, elemental fluorine (F₂) on the other hand is pretty tame if you know what you are doing.
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The channel is titled "ozcanium".
[Edited on 26-7-2025 by Radiums Lab]
Water is dangerous if you don't know how to handle it, elemental fluorine (F₂) on the other hand is pretty tame if you know what you are doing.
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Anyone can have a YouTube channel, it does not mean compliance with the law.
[Edited on 26-7-2025 by bnull]
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@bnull I didnt mean he complies with the law.
Water is dangerous if you don't know how to handle it, elemental fluorine (F₂) on the other hand is pretty tame if you know what you are doing.
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From a financial point of view, the company looks fine. There were a few changes over the years (change of address, change of ownership or company
name), nothing abnormal. But it doesn't mean that selling acetic anhydride to the general public is OK. Acetic anhydride is not listed on the site's
products but only appears when you search for it. A little strange, if you ask me.
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Suppliers like this can be a real danger to the home chemist. An “unfortunate incident” could lead to the impetus for even stricter regulations.
I would hate to see home chemistry be reduced to fermentation of human waste to make nitrates or having to sneak into abandoned mines trying to score
obscure elements.
I’d like to add that if this is a sting operation, a staged incident might be far more likely.
[Edited on 7/26/2025 by chloric1]
Fellow molecular manipulator
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none of these things are illegal, but do require an EUD
actually, benzene might be illegal, of all things there.
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How does the EUD system actually work? I have seen some suppliers that require an EUD for all sorts of things, like concentrated H2SO4 or KNO3, but
then you can get the same chemical from Mitre 10 as drain cleaner or from agricultural suppliers as hydroponics fertilizer or stump rotter and nobody
asks for an EUD. Are the suppliers that focus on chemicals just trying to cover themselves legally by doing extra stuff that is not required or should
the hardware store technically be making me sign an EUD for drain opener?
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Quote: Originally posted by currawong  | | How does the EUD system actually work? I have seen some suppliers that require an EUD for all sorts of things, like concentrated H2SO4 or KNO3, but
then you can get the same chemical from Mitre 10 as drain cleaner or from agricultural suppliers as hydroponics fertilizer or stump rotter and nobody
asks for an EUD. Are the suppliers that focus on chemicals just trying to cover themselves legally by doing extra stuff that is not required or should
the hardware store technically be making me sign an EUD for drain opener? |
There is two kinds of declarations, i believe that the difference is one applies to individuals while the other applies to organizations. the
individuals one is a declaration enforced by the oaths act (like with statutory declarations) or "drugs, poisons or controlled substances regulation",
and carries a penalty if violated along the lines of $250K and/or 5-10 or 10-25 years in prison. It acts as a whitelist where you have to not only
swear not to use it for making drugs, but also that you will only use it for the explicit purpose listed. the attached picture is from the EUD i
signed when i bought my condenser.
Unfortunately, legally i cannot use this condenser now for any purpose other than "distilling liquids", if i were ever caught distilling solids, like
dry ice, i would go to prison.
the declaration also includes that you cannot sell the item, when i received my condenser, it came with another document saying as much, and other
information the EUD they emailed me failed to mention, though i suppose it goes without saying.
The other type of EUD applies to organizations and doesnt require any explicit descriptions of usage, i also havent seen it refference the oaths act,
but violating it does carry some sort of penalty bonus, you only very specifically swear not to use the article in question for making illicit drugs,
as well as that you wont re-sell the item, but i think that has a seperate EUD where you probably have to swear that youll make anyone you sell it to,
sign an EUD as well, so theres probably 3:
EUD for individual end users
for commercial end users
for commercial suppliers
This may explain the discrepancy observed buying sulfuric acid from ligma, as opposed to the delicious syrup made by MOMAR found at mitre 10
Since its on the poisons schedule, it might be that high purity acid at least comes with the recommendation and they probably just cover their ass to
be sure.
If however you acquire equipment or materials without signing anything, you get off scott-free, as the only law in place applies to the sales and
distribution of materials and equipment. if a place is selling acetic anhydride, unless they made it themselves, which frankly, given this websites
limited inventory might be the case, they would specifically be violating an EUD someone somewhere did sign, for which the penalties can include
decades in prison regardless of if any laws actually prohibit their distribution.
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Well don't really know what to make of this. Dubious is a bit harsh I will not lie.
@currawong thanks for the dox and sorry for being the bearer of bad news but unfortunately we are not part of any sting operations (maybe one day)
And @Radiums Lab hit me up, ill send you a free signed copy of my newest publication "Compendium Synthetica". I really appreciate the support.
[Edited on 10-11-2025 by Ozcanium]
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| Quote: | | Well don't really know what to make of this. Dubious is a bit harsh I will not lie. |
See it from a customer's viewpoint. Law enforcement agencies have a fondness for acetic anhydride and lithium aluminum hydride and like to trap people
because it makes them appear less inefficient and lazy than they are. When one sees these substances being sold online in the same site by someone
other than the traditional lab suppliers (Sigma et al.), one gets a little suspicious. It is a trap or it isn't a trap; there's no way to know by just
looking up. Hence 'dubious', which is not as bad as it sounds.
This was another reason to say 'dubious'. If this was due to accident or design I don't know, but I'm glad to see you fixed it (by removing the
anhydride from the search rather than including it in the products, a move I consider good to not get prospective buyers unnecessarily suspicious).
You have nothing to lose if you clarify or fix stuff because, as I wrote above, the company looks fine.
Best wishes.
[Edited on 10-11-2025 by bnull]
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I would consider ordering something simple and non-controversial first, and see if it shows up. Use a credit card or paypal to buy in case it doesn't
show.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ozcanium | Well don't really know what to make of this. Dubious is a bit harsh I will not lie.
@currawong thanks for the dox and sorry for being the bearer of bad news but unfortunately we are not part of any sting operations (maybe one day)
And @Radiums Lab hit me up, ill send you a free signed copy of my newest publication "Compendium Synthetica". I really appreciate the support.
[Edited on 10-11-2025 by Ozcanium] |
Sorry about calling you out like that, it looked too good to be true initially. Good to hear you're not a police sting operation
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Its all good, i can see where the suspicion can stem from. If you guys do need something though don't be afraid to hit me up.
I also run a chemical analysis service. We use techniques like GCMS and FTIR for identification of components within soil, chemicals, perfumes, OTC
products etc. Basically anything volatile and semi volatile. (We charge A LOT cheaper as well).
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I finally recived the book as promised from @Ozcanium, many thanks to him.
I am going to review his book with some pictures.
-In his book there are 31 synthesis experiments mostly organic and 3 inorganic.
-Most of the books available out there don't include analysis data but his book has FTIR analysis data with explanation of peaks.
-His book explains the mechanism clearly with pictures which is a good addition.
-Very few errors.
-He could have included alternative methods for the synthesis.
-A small picture of the apparatus setup would have helped a bit.
-There is a section where he explains the use of reagents in common synthesis and daily life.
I personally loved the inorganic synthesis like NaNO2 using metals like lead which are relatively easy to get.
The images are of the synthesis of Aspirin
   
What do you guys think?
[Edited on 29-12-2025 by Radiums Lab]
Water is dangerous if you don't know how to handle it, elemental fluorine (F₂) on the other hand is pretty tame if you know what you are doing.
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