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cracker
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Underground Gadgets and Chemical Supply> Selling over 250 chemicals (Scientific & Pyrotechnic ), along with a large variety of Scientific Supplies and Pyrex Glassware

This next week we will be advertising some new arrivals such as a Eckart Aluminum Powder and Zinc Dust.

These materials will be priced to sell, and will be listed at 3-5 dollars a pound.

Sorry no outside the USA shipments

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. Thank You

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wtf? You are selling 1oz of Ammonium Acetate solution for 10 dollars?
You don't even say the concentration of it or anything.
Not to mention you have sodium acetate listed as "hot ice" and the picture you have is clearly taken from one of the famous youtube/metacafe videos that shows this.
octave
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All of these chemicals look technical grade at best. Concentrations,General descriptions, and possible impurity sources are lacking. Albeit there aren't drug precursors available in large amounts, I'd say this is reminiscent of Kno3.com.
cracker
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We sell a variety of different surplus items, some are of different brands, sizes, concentrations, and varieties.

The information we have on these items is listed in the description if possible.

The pricing is a suggestion only on many of these surplus items. I suspect you will find many of our chemicals priced far below the average market rate.

I suggest you look further. Sure many of our chemicals have pictures out sourced from the internet images file’s. Sodium Acetate is also listed under its chemical name.

We take the hobby scientist very seriously, and are always willing to answer questions and or take offers through email. Thank You

cracker
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We do not disagree that many of our items are technical grade. This is advertised. However there are many of our chemicals such as the Acrylamide mixture that are ultra pure with proper packaging & process, documentation and certificate of analysis provided.

Our website will not sell obvious precursor chemicals in large amounts. Kno.3.com was selling Red Phosphorous which was a controlled substance.

Please point out these “precursors available in large amounts” that you speak of. Thank You

Any of our obvious know'n possibilities such as Iodine crystal is limited to a maximum purchase of 1 gram.

I might add as well any suspicion of illegal activity your order will be immediately froze and money refunded.

Perhaps the site is not for everyone, but we are here to help if you need us. I will be open to answer any “positive” questions members may have. Thank You

Owner

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hissingnoise
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Tech. grade HNO3 in a PE bottle for $5 an ounce. . .a urine-extraction, surely. . . woelen Super Administrator Posts: 7448 Registered: 20-8-2005 Location: Netherlands Member Is Offline Mood: interested Price range is varying a lot. Some chemicals have a very good price, or at least a decent price, while others are very expensive. The art of wondering makes life worth living... Want to wonder? Look at https://woelen.homescience.net cracker Harmless Posts: 17 Registered: 17-1-2009 Location: Washington State Member Is Offline Mood: Pyrotechnic-Scientific Reply to hissingnoise> Yes this is an excellent example. I am sure you are referring to our Nitric Acid in a 1 ounce bottle available from our website. This is a single quantity item only, available one time when this item is sold its gone. This particular bottle was sourced from or can be used as a refill for the “HAZCAT Chemical Identification System Kit” pictured here> https://new.fishersci.com/wps/portal/PRODUCTDETAIL?LBCID=30&... It is part of there “Metal Analysis 1” test. I believe the chemical was supplied by Sigma Aldrich originally. Hazcat’s msds would tell you I believe. Woelen said>”Price range is varying a lot. Some chemicals have a very good price, or at least a decent price, while others are very expensive.” Yes we agree, this is due to the quantities we have available. Please keep a look on the items you are interested in. Our pricing is subject to change at any time. Also please feel free to make an offer on these expensive items if you wish sir. Thank You [Edited on 1-17-2009 by cracker] Underground Gadgets LLC hissingnoise International Hazard Posts: 3929 Registered: 26-12-2002 Member Is Offline Mood: Pulverulescent! I'm not in the US, cracker, and neither is woelen, so our interest is academic. KNO3.com didn't restrict itself to the UK, btw. There are items of interest, though, for people who can get them. Interestingly, I spotted picric acid in the inventory. . . cracker Harmless Posts: 17 Registered: 17-1-2009 Location: Washington State Member Is Offline Mood: Pyrotechnic-Scientific Hello, Hissingnoise, sure I understand. That’s ok, no problem. This forum is a very good read. That Acid is available at a maximum of 5 grams of course and I am sorry to say we have considered taking it off the list. But it has not been as of yet. We sell a variety of Forensic products and it has uses as a dye. Our experience in shipping non-hazardous items outside the US is limited but we are willing to give it a try. For items such as Glassware or Accessories. I’m very sorry, no chemicals though [Edited on 1-17-2009 by cracker] [Edited on 1-17-2009 by cracker] Underground Gadgets LLC hissingnoise International Hazard Posts: 3929 Registered: 26-12-2002 Member Is Offline Mood: Pulverulescent! Well anyway, cracker, thanks and best of luck with the venture. . .you may need it! BromicAcid International Hazard Posts: 3060 Registered: 13-7-2003 Location: Wisconsin Member Is Offline Mood: Legitimate The curious thing that I found was the 25% Carbon tetrachloride. When zoomed in on the picture it looks like it is really a solution of tetraethyl lead in carbon tet apparently... Shamelessly plugging my attempts at writing fiction: http://www.robvincent.org ordenblitz National Hazard Posts: 259 Registered: 18-7-2004 Location: Northwest Member Is Offline Mood: Bohr'd cracker... do you think it wise to sell explosives? cracker Harmless Posts: 17 Registered: 17-1-2009 Location: Washington State Member Is Offline Mood: Pyrotechnic-Scientific Hello, BromicAcid , cool website you have there. Don’t be suprised if I ask a question some time. Yes the Carbon Tet. Is interesting. This is an ampoule of 25% Carbon Tetrachloride that came from a “Ethyl” lead-in-air analyzer kit. I suspect this is the information you saw when you zoomed in on the picture. Reply to ordenblitz > I assume your referring to the dye? Clearly with a 5 gram maximum order amount its not being sold as an explosive, but as I had said before we are considering its removal from the list. When wetted with not less than 10% water its DOT label is listed as > FLAMMABLE SOLID It has many legitimate uses such as ones listed below Histology uses include connective tissue stain (Jullien’s picroindogocarmine and Van Gieson’s picro-acid fuchsin), cytoplasmic stain (Van Gieson’s with iron hematoxylin), woody sections (picro aniline blue) and as a fixative agent [Edited on 1-17-2009 by cracker] [Edited on 1-17-2009 by cracker] [Edited on 1-17-2009 by cracker] Underground Gadgets LLC 497 International Hazard Posts: 778 Registered: 6-10-2007 Member Is Offline Mood: HSbF6 Very interesting selection you have there. I'm curious, can you get ethylenediamine? Sauron International Hazard Posts: 5351 Registered: 22-12-2006 Location: Barad-Dur, Mordor Member Is Offline Mood: metastable Any red phosphorous? How about Iodine? WhoIs Information For: undergroundgadgets.com BEGIN WHOIS RECORD ------- Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: UNDERGROUNDGADGETS.COM Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com Name Server: NS43.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server: NS44.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 05-mar-2008 Creation Date: 17-aug-2005 Expiration Date: 17-aug-2009 >>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:08:55 EST <<< The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and Registrars.Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com Domain Name.......... undergroundgadgets.com Creation Date........ 2005-08-18 Registration Date.... 2005-08-18 Expiry Date.......... 2009-08-18 Organisation Name.... Underground Gadgets LLC Organisation Address. 14183 Deerfield DR SE Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Monroe Organisation Address. 98272 Organisation Address. WA Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Admin Name........... Neil Holland Admin Address........ 14183 Deerfield DR SE Admin Address........ Admin Address........ Monroe Admin Address........ 98272 Admin Address........ WA Admin Address........ UNITED STATES Admin Email.......... undergroundgadgets@comcast.net Admin Phone.......... +1.3608051055 Admin Fax............ +1.3608051055 Tech Name............ Verio Hostmaster Tech Address......... 5050 Blue Lake Dr. Tech Address......... Tech Address......... Boca Raton Tech Address......... 33431 Tech Address......... FL Tech Address......... UNITED STATES Tech Email........... hostmaster@VERIO-HOSTING.COM Tech Phone........... +1.8886636648 Tech Fax............. +1.8886636655 Name Server.......... ns43.domaincontrol.com Name Server.......... ns44.domaincontrol.com END WHOIS RECORD ------ When faced with someone who is at minimum exploitative and at most a law enforcement sting operator, it's always best to know who and where. Regardless, you are insulting our intelligence. What makes you think people on this forum are ripe to be victimized by the likes of you? [Edited on 18-1-2009 by Sauron] Sic gorgeamus a los subjectatus nunc. hissingnoise International Hazard Posts: 3929 Registered: 26-12-2002 Member Is Offline Mood: Pulverulescent! Perhaps by accepting things at face value, I'm being too trusting, but you, Sauron, seem to be at the other extremity. Any seller of goods can be seen as exploitative, depending on your point of view. But what makes you suspect a "sting"? And I'm not saying you're wrong; given society's direction of drift, your extreme view in this case may be the only correct one. . . In any case, another interesting post! Sauron International Hazard Posts: 5351 Registered: 22-12-2006 Location: Barad-Dur, Mordor Member Is Offline Mood: metastable Another member stated that this seller is offering explosives. I cannot get their chemical inventory list to work, si I can't determine what explosives he is talking about, but, that is highly suggestive of a sting. As for being exploitative, not every seller wants$5/fluid oz for tech grade HNO3.

Some sellers are more exploitative than others, this one seems highly so to me.

So, ripoff or sting, either way bad news.

Remember, cracker did not come on this forum to discuss chemistry, he came on this forum to try to make $off of us, or at least the members in USA. While I think there is little chance of that, it's smarmy, and given the potential for a LE sting, (remembers The Chemical Closet? Remember know.com?) I would advise giving this overpriced eBay hustler a wide berth. Sic gorgeamus a los subjectatus nunc. cracker Harmless Posts: 17 Registered: 17-1-2009 Location: Washington State Member Is Offline Mood: Pyrotechnic-Scientific Sauron Said > Any red phosphorous? How about Iodine? Sorry Sauron , but we will not supply drug makers. If you want to make meth take your business else where. The funniest thing to me about your posts, is the fact that you spent all that time trying to find out who I am. If you look on the front page of our website you’ll find the exact same information that you thought you were “Exposing”. My name is connected to every email I recieve, and our mailing and physical address are right there, The exact same that you came up with. Please tell me exactly what Products were running a “Sting” on? I’m not sure we even offer any that are worthy of that “title” LOL I might add our company is linked by the leading fuse retailer in the USA. They don’t seem to think were scamming. You can also find many posts on the internet about us from our customers. The point is this> We do not sell explosives, we do not sell drug precursors. What we do sell is Technical Grade and better Scientific Chemical’s & Accessories to those who take there hobby or carrier seriously. I am a member of many forums, in which I participate. I suspect several of the members here already know me. I was referred here by one. Well thanks to the pessimistic comments all the "bugs" have been worked out now. For this reason this will be my last reply to “negative” comments. Questions about our products are always welcome. Thank You [Edited on 1-18-2009 by cracker] [Edited on 1-18-2009 by cracker] Underground Gadgets LLC cracker Harmless Posts: 17 Registered: 17-1-2009 Location: Washington State Member Is Offline Mood: Pyrotechnic-Scientific  Quote: Originally posted by 497 Very interesting selection you have there. I'm curious, can you get ethylenediamine? Thank You 497, I’m not sure perhaps it could be a special order. Let me look into it for you. Underground Gadgets LLC Sauron International Hazard Posts: 5351 Registered: 22-12-2006 Location: Barad-Dur, Mordor Member Is Offline Mood: metastable When I want HNO3 I buy ACS Reagent grade by the gallon. Not by the ounce. Your "company" is a joke. Take it on the road, clown. I looked you up in Whois because I do not trust anything you post on your website. 25% tetraethyl lead in carbon tetrachloride? Do you have the slightest idea how toxic alkyl lead compounds are? CCl4 is toxic, the tetraethyl lead is TOXIC! You are an irresponsible idiot. Sic gorgeamus a los subjectatus nunc. cracker Harmless Posts: 17 Registered: 17-1-2009 Location: Washington State Member Is Offline Mood: Pyrotechnic-Scientific Hello, 497 I have been able to locate Ethylenediamine from one of our suppliers. However our cost is very high at >$60.57 for 500ml

This is too much especially when this supplier charges a hazard fee.

I strongly suspect I can find you a much cheaper source. Let me continue to look for you sir.

cracker
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 Quote: Originally posted by Sauron 25% tetraethyl lead in carbon tetrachloride? Do you have the slightest idea how toxic alkyl lead compounds are? CCl4 is toxic, the tetraethyl lead is TOXIC! You are an irresponsible idiot.

Had you taken the time to actually read any of the posts here you would find that this is not the case. It is 25%Carbon Tet. Only)

I suggest if you want to participate by posting you take the time to actually read the information written here. So who is the idiot now Sauron?

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Sauron
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"25% carbon tetrachloride" is meaningless.

If t is a soln of CCl4, what is the solvent that is the OTHER 75% of what you are selling?

Who the hell would want 25% CCl4?

You're some sort of chemical junk dealer?

BTW is HNO3 exempt from HazMat? Is CCl4?

The real bottom line is that the way things are in the US these days, the potential liability for any "lab supplier" under existing Federal laws such as CMC, so far outweigh any potential profit that only a lunatic would put himself at such risk.

So are you a lunatic, or are you a cop?

Because there isn't any middle ground left in USA.

It does not matter how innocuous you deem your chemicals and equipment to be, if the cops find your products in a drug lab (real or imaginary) they will come after you for huge civil and criminal penalties.

So, cracker, you can't be what you purport to be.

Therefore: you are something else.

Do you sell sodium hydroxide? That is regarded by law enforcement as a meth lab chemical.

Do you sell sodium bicarbonate? (Yes, baking soda). Also regarded as a meth lab chemical. Some states are trying to ban over the counter sales of baking soda for this reason.

You are tap dancing on very thin ice over deep water.

BTW, ethylenediamine is $68 for 2,5 L (Acros) so$60 for half a liter is ridiculous, but at least you are consistent.

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Sauron, how many people here have said that they wanted to, or have at least though of opening their own online company to sell small amounts of chemicals to individuals?

You say he might be some sort of chemical junk dealer, if I were still in the market to buy chemicals, that is exactly what I would be looking for in my situation because you wouldn't believe how much useful stuff I find at the junkyard. The somewhat odd assortment of chemicals he carries is exactly the eccentric sort of stock I would expect from someone selling whatever they could get their hands on.

As is usually the case with suppliers, start slow, and most of us here know there are certain things they should not be ordering anyway. Hazmat is something that needs to be addressed since it is potentially a liability to the addressee.

Take the site with a grain of salt until it proves itself to you as an individual. Sauron, you can't even order from there due to your international situation. It could be a scam, a string, whatever, but for now I have nothing against the site and would like to at least give it a chance.

And Cracker, some of your descriptions on the site do need to be a bit more comprehensive, and in order to ship Hazmat you need someone trained in 49 CFR and certified through whatever carrier you use. To cover both your butt and our own. Make this clear on your site if you can. If something needs to be shipped as a hazardous material, don't skimp on it, it needs to be done. Finally, if you are the real deal, I apologize for all the conjecture and worry from our camp. Some people here are doing things they know they shouldn't be doing and want to use your site to continue to get away with it, and others are worried that you might someday run afoul of the law, get your records seized, and find themselves lumped in on a list with those people that were doing something they shouldn't have been doing.

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