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[*] posted on 21-4-2019 at 19:22


Quote: Originally posted by RogueRose  
Has anyone read the Reddit post of this topic? I'm more referring to the replies. There seems to be some major chemophobia going on over there at a height I wouldn't have thought possible in a dedicated chemistry forum. It seems that some of these people think of these chemicals the same as guns (even if they are in a locked safe they might walk out and shoot someone).


It's a pretty common attitude among chemists (and the public) outside of ScienceMadness.
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[*] posted on 21-4-2019 at 20:05


Quote: Originally posted by RogueRose  
Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Rogers  
That's /r/chemistry if you're not part of the priest class.


So that is their normal "MO" over there? Much of it read like what you might hear in an 8th grade science class (in public school) when trying to scare kids to be careful with the chemicals (like dihydrogen monoxide, sodium bicarbonate and 5% acetic acid).

I expected more over there but I guess I was a little spoiled by coming here first.


These are 13th graders, so all the safety lectures/scared straight stuff are still fresh in their heads.

[Edited on 22-4-2019 by Mr. Rogers]
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[*] posted on 22-4-2019 at 13:59


Quote: Originally posted by Mr. Rogers  

These are 13th graders, so all the safety lectures/scared straight stuff are still fresh in their heads.


Yes, that is definitely their deal. See here for another good analysis: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=65412&...
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[*] posted on 23-4-2019 at 21:32


Isn't red P illegal in US? How would you ship it without being found?



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[*] posted on 24-4-2019 at 07:50


Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
Isn't red P illegal in US? How would you ship it without being found?


Nope, not illegal to have red phosphorus in the USA.

Might cause someone to give you a second look, though, or maybe a visit. I cant imagine the police wouldnt get involved.




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[*] posted on 24-4-2019 at 07:56


If it's legal why would one get a visit from the police?



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[*] posted on 24-4-2019 at 10:12


Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
If it's legal why would one get a visit from the police?


Because while you may be doing nothing wrong, the fact that it is used by some to make meth has elevated its level of scrutiny. It's also not common for someone to have it, so in their minds you've already triggered an alert that needs to be investigated. I can pretty much guarantee you that if red phosphorus is intercepted by the authorities that you should expect some sort of visit, which may even be friendly, and non-accusatory.

Also, I am not sure of the legality of importing Listed chemicals. I think importation might be trouble, so they will likely want to know where you got it. If its domestic, then you are supposed to be in some sort of paper trail.

But you are allowed to have it.

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[*] posted on 24-4-2019 at 18:47


Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
If it's legal why would one get a visit from the police?

Anyone who believes this board is for drug chemists (looking at you, JJay) need only refer to this post to realize that most of us haven't heard of "probable cause".




[Edited on 04-20-1969 by clearly_not_atara]
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[*] posted on 24-4-2019 at 19:29


Quote: Originally posted by clearly_not_atara  
Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
If it's legal why would one get a visit from the police?

Anyone who believes this board is for drug chemists (looking at you, JJay) need only refer to this post to realize that most of us haven't heard of "probable cause".


Is that why he no longer posts here?
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[*] posted on 24-4-2019 at 20:28


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Is that why he no longer posts here?

No. He had a conflict with another member and decided to resolve it by departing. A shame really. The issue was not large: certainly not irreconcilable. And his contribution is missed.




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[*] posted on 28-4-2019 at 18:46


Getting back to the original post, if you decide that you want to find a proper home for any of these, please reply to someone or close the post if not. But a few of those chemicals are seriously hazardous, like the potassium, especially if it is old and crusty. And some may have a small value, but mostly to pyros. There are lots of them here in the energetics section of the forum, or a few people here. I happen to know a few in Philly, who can safely deal with them all. Just be aware than legally shipping most of the chemicals on the list will require expertise and money. I would only handle them with personal transport, as most cannot be shipped by USPS at all, and many others require special packaging and labeling for UPS/FedEx.
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