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[*] posted on 27-9-2023 at 01:39


Quote: Originally posted by Texium  
Quote: Originally posted by beerwiz  
The small scale way is using MS with a large collector, if properly configured, it can do about 1g in less than 2 days.
No, it most certainly can’t. Not even a real particle accelerator can achieve that level of yield. Once again, I can’t tell if this is trolling or pure delusion.


I believe that is actually in the ballpark of the production rate that was achieved by a single cell in the calutrons in the time of WW2. So, I guess it is theoretically possible. I might have suspected beerwiz pulled that number from a paper about the calutrons, if only he had shown any evidence of reading anything at all.
Oh well, good luck building a calutron, beerwiz. Should be easy peazy for someone of your caliber.

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[*] posted on 27-9-2023 at 04:08


Just for the record. If anyone is actually thinking of making nanometre powdered uranium.
1 The "lumps" will still be too big to let you separate the isotopes by centrifugation.
2 the powder will be spontaneously flammable in air.
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[*] posted on 27-9-2023 at 09:34


Quote: Originally posted by phlogiston  
Quote: Originally posted by Texium  
Quote: Originally posted by beerwiz  
The small scale way is using MS with a large collector, if properly configured, it can do about 1g in less than 2 days.
No, it most certainly can’t. Not even a real particle accelerator can achieve that level of yield. Once again, I can’t tell if this is trolling or pure delusion.


I believe that is actually in the ballpark of the production rate that was achieved by a single cell in the calutrons in the time of WW2. So, I guess it is theoretically possible. I might have suspected beerwiz pulled that number from a paper about the calutrons, if only he had shown any evidence of reading anything at all.
My bad. I actually did try to find a source to back me up but wasn't able to do so in a timely manner, so I settled for a gut feeling as that seemed in keeping with the general quality of this thread. ;)



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[*] posted on 28-9-2023 at 02:41


Quote: Originally posted by beerwiz  


Quote: Originally posted by Tsjerk  

Not if you, as beerwiz, can nanomize it and get perfect separation by putting it in a centrifuge. Then you only need a couple dozen kilograms from which you can get that last bit of U-235.


Do you think that will work? I can nanomize it easily in the 2-5nm range.



I thought the sarcasm would be obvious, but no I don't think it will work. I'm absolutely sure it won't work. You need atoms to be able to move independently to be able to seperate them by centrifugation. Maybe you should calculate how many atoms there are in a 2nm particle.
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[*] posted on 28-9-2023 at 07:53


I'm revising my original hypothesis to crystal meth.



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[*] posted on 29-9-2023 at 02:37


Here you go Beerwiz. This is how it is done.
Just a little bit of backyard engineering and away you go.

Plutonium Metal Preparation


(Seriously though: this came across my feed and I thought it rather interesting.)
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[*] posted on 29-9-2023 at 12:44


100 million dollars would be plenty to build something like this. You could even get your money back by selling the extra plutonium to a nonspecific geographical location for their "nuclear energy projects".



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[*] posted on 29-9-2023 at 14:14


In the video, they conveniently started with plutonium nitrate solution. The actual problem is how to get -that-, or anything containing a significant amount of plutonium at all.
The part in that video is the easy part.




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[*] posted on 29-9-2023 at 14:49


You're right, you would need something like a breeder reactor. The OP mentions he has access to an "infinite amount" of U-238.
Honestly though, it feels kind of useless to continue this discussion as this "billionaire researcher" has no idea what he's getting into.




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[*] posted on 30-9-2023 at 03:17


I don't think we're having this discussion to actually help the allegedly superintelligent billionaire researcher. He just provided a nice prompt to have some chat among ourselves about interesting things/videos's etc we've learned about these kinds of processes to share with each other. We can mess with him a bit along the way, as he is doing with us.



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[*] posted on 30-9-2023 at 08:13


I agree, isotopic separation processes are very interesting. I just feel like any amateur trying them would end up David Hahn chapter 2. We only need to keep it theoretical.



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[*] posted on 30-9-2023 at 10:30


What is the smallest reactor possible using natural uranium only? CP1 used some 5 tonnes of uranium metal plus 40 tonnes of uranium oxide, but I'm sure it can be made smaller using heavy water (1/10 the neutron absorption cross section).



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[*] posted on 1-10-2023 at 09:16


What's needed most is protective clothing:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_shielding


such as is worn by medical professionals when exposed to radiation :) The end results from the effort applied :cool:
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