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Any bets on when WW3 breaks out?

A word to the wise: NEUROFEEDBACK

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http://www.newscientist.com/mobile/article/mg21228354.500-re...

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Right before the election is Obama thinks he's not gonna win.
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So, after a day in which Draghi was a drag on the market, the Street got fed up with the Feds, and the The Old Lady of Threadneedle Street yawned, irrational exuberance springs anew (apologies for the atrocious puns). The job creation numbers were actually positive, if anaemic, but the inaction of the CBs was forgotten or dismissed.

The interpretation of this (concerted?) inaction may signal a message that the bankers feel they have done all they can and regard the problem as political and not soluble by fiscal manipulation.

@ Anotheronebitesthedust
Your posted video was absolutely fascinating. At first I thought just another conspiracy theoretician, then I classed him as a political satitist, but his analysis of the interplay of money and power was good. I look forward to his part 2. Only later I realized his theme was social justice and he allied himself loosely to the ‘Occupy’ and ‘Tea Party’ movements, if one can call them that; or at least, to the reality of government control of one’s life. The satire showed in his final accreditations!
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Interview with a High Frequency Trader
www.caseyresearch.com/pdfs/crTcr20120726102306.pdf

The reason why market volume has diminished to such an extent is that it only
may represent 30 % of actual , the rest occurs in so called " dark pool " trades
not on the exchange itself. This means that price volatility is more pronounced
as a result of smaller volume trading. This opens the field to computerized
" High Frequency Trading " to manipulate the price moves. Instituting a 5 second
wait before a buy or sell order is canceled, would end the practice of faking orders ,
which is really no better than sending a false fire alarm. Without human involvement
is another way of saying without human reason. Machines faking each other out
is is not a rational way to raise capital , the reason for the market in the first place.

The real economy is no longer the official one.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48481108

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The marked rise of the €uro today brought down the price of 30 year U.S. treasuries
the interest of which has been swinging up & down and is up from 2.48 to 2.68 in a day.
A temporary setback which given the volatile 5 dollar trading range of TLT we can expect
it to be back up by the end of next week.

Central Banks Ambush Dollar send stocks higher

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As if you didn't already know
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_ric...

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I have been researching Peter Joseph the film maker and lecturer and the Zeitgeist Movement a little on the web. For an intro, see Wiki. It appears they are part of a vague association that promotes what might be termed the New World Order, essentially devoted to a new global society based upon technology. Peter Joseph appears to be a bit of a loose cannon allied to Zeitgeist.

While PJ’s analysis of the woes of modern civilization rings a certain bell ot truth, at least from the librtarian view I espouse, the synthesis of the way out from them is essentially a world controlled by technocrats, in other words a substitution of one form of dominance for another, which seems to contradict his thesis entirely.

His insistence on systems engineering (which I used to practice before retirement) predicts a perhaps more frightening a view of what is essentially a Brave New World than Huxley’s. It seems to ignore totally a little spanner in the works called human nature, very much in the same way the early Christians did. Or, in today’s terms, human psychology. So competitiveness will go away? Think Olympics, currently. It exists purely from that essential source of creative endeavor, competitiveness.

He couples the plight of the starving millions of the world’s population with an explosive technology that will solve all their problems with a robotic future in which – what? What will these starving million do? By some miracle, they will all be intelligent enough to tend the machines all day making sure the bots don’t play up and screw up everything due to mis –programmed algorithms created by the technocrats. Absolute unadulterated BS of the first water. At least as soul destroying as Brave New World (at least they had their soma – and today they have their contraceptives if denied the soma!); and perhaps as bad as Orwell’s 1984.

The Knight fiasco on Wall Street last week shows what can happen to an organization that puts blind faith in ‘technology’. Computers will only do what you tell them if you feed them a runnable algorithm without a potential instability. And, GIGO even with a fundamentally sound algorithm. As for the unsound algoritm, Data In, Garbage Out or Cannot Compute. Incidentally, thanks, Franklyn, for that article on HFT – it was interesting.

Peter Joseph’s stance on morals and ethics was correct – they represent no more than the customs of the people extolling them. (The Latin and Greek roots of the words mean just that and no more). Of extant religion, only Buddhism (which is more a philosophy than a religion) gets it right – morals are merely rules to allow civilized conduct. The main precepts of these are incorporated into the body of law called common law, but law itself has absolutely nothing to do with morality apart from this ancient input. One only has to look at Islamic law today to see the vast discrepancy, and western laws too impose strict limits on human freedom of action and thought. So you cheered the Arab Spring? Wait for the Arab Winter, folks. It’s already autumn.

Another factor working against the remote possibility of Peter Joseph’s vision is what one might call Global Indifference. Put crudely, one cares about one’s family, one’s friend’s, one’s neighbors, one’s town, the nation and the cultural system it promotes, roughly in that order. Fundamentally, no one really cares a rat’s ass about some obscure tribe on some remote location on the globe. Logically, why should they? What happens in Pongoland is of zero interest to Joe Sixpack who has enough of his own problems with his plastic money and crippling mortagage debt.

Enough ranting, but this is in line with the 497’s thread title - The Coming Collapse.
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@ DerAlte

The triumph of "systems engineering" on the heels of "operations research"
was the Marshall Plan , unlike the ponderous doctrine stifled soviet plans
which serially failed. The end does justify the means when it is subjective.
Fundamentals of economic function determined by demographics can be
ignored ( at peril ) but it shows where we inexorably will end up.

Hints of distopia from around the web:

" Detroit has more than 30,000 vacant houses, municipal services are minimal,
large urban sectors are devoid of residents, a quarter million people moved out
of Detroit between 2000 and 2010, leaving just over 700,000 residents in a city
originally built for 2 million.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183000/Vacant-Detroit-turn...

" Abandoned homes and villages dot the Latvian region of Latgale, near the border
with Russia. In the town of Merdzene, a new school stands by an abandoned
Soviet era apartment block covered with shattered and taped windows in a scene
reminiscent of Chernobyl."
www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/29/us-europe-population-idUS...
( my comment )
My cousin was visiting London during the Queen's Jubilee ,
she told me there aren't any English over there , everyone
is either a foreigner or from the commonwealth countries.

From here _ www.cnbc.com/id/48523089
" Dozens of wealthy Greeks, among them politicians, bankers and shipowners,
have bought high-end properties in London in the past three years seeking shelter
from the country’s deepening crisis, which has left millions of ordinary Greeks
squeezed by tough austerity measures."
www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-us-citizens-pay-attention

Greece on intravenous feeding _ www.cnbc.com/id/48523030

Harry Dent
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107542

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[Edited on 7-8-2012 by franklyn]
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Although rumors of the imminent death of Social Security have been rampant for some time, they have been greatly exaggerated. However, the following is worth a look:

Is Social Security still a good deal for workers?
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER Associated Press Sunday, August 5, 2012 9:42 AM EDT

http://news.investors.com/aponline/article/368529/2012080508...

@franklyn
WRT my type of systems engineering, can anything beat the success of Mars Rover Curiosity or the repair of the faulty Hubble mirror? Superb!

And, regarding that, the media seem totally confused concerning what is science and what is engineering. It is true to say that many scientists do actually operate as engineers but the reverse is rarely true, although engineers do have to know their basic science and especially mathematics, apart from seat- of- the- pants designers. And all engineers should have a basic grounding in economics. My father used to say, as a civil engineer, that an engineer is a man who can do a job for you for a penny that any fool can do for a pound…

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" Don't fight the Fed " has now become don't fight central bank conspiracies.
This is what Draghi meant " it will be enough " when he warned not to short the €uro.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48534314
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107375&play=1
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107432&play=1
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107647&play=1
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/08/07/markets-forex-idUKL...

Hyperbole aside , if nothing else now is a good entry point to purchase Calls on TLT.
The "short squeeze" prompted buy back of the U$D/€UR is topping out. Stampeding the currency exchange market is merely a momentary stunt. Everything hinges on ECB/German purchase of other sovereign bonds which is not ever likely to occur. www.marketwatch.com/story/dont-get-suckered-by-the-draghi-pu... http://www.cnbc.com/id/48564275 . [Edited on 8-8-2012 by franklyn] DerAlte International Hazard Posts: 779 Registered: 14-5-2007 Location: Erehwon Member Is Offline Mood: Disgusted If you own stocks, are thinking of doing so, have a 401k, or are just interested in the market, this piece by Cramer on cnbc says it all in a nutshell (I usually cannot stand the man, but sometimes he speaks truth!) The Biggest Market Myth There Is? http://www.cnbc.com/id/48560059 And their other ranter, Santelli, has this piece exposing the other current myth: http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=3000107752&play=1 And you wonder why the US market struggles upward? It’s the only game in town, even if it has the appearance of minor league. Der Alte franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3027 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood www.zerohedge.com/news/surveying-landscape www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-09/world-s-oldest-shipping-co... Stateside http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000108183&play=1 www.zerohedge.com/news/california-dreaming-turns-nightmare-s... www.cnbc.com/id/48470975 <div><object width="576" height="324"><param name="movie" value="http://d.yimg.com/nl/techticker/site/player.swf"></param><param name="flashVars" value="browseCarouselUI=show&vid=30231741&"></param><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed width="576" height="324" allowFullScreen="true" src="http://d.yimg.com/nl/techticker/site/player.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" flashvars="browseCarouselUI=show&vid=30231741&"></embed></object></div> www.businessinsider.com/21-rates-have-nowhere-to-go-but-up-2... . anotheronebitesthedust Hazard to Others Posts: 189 Registered: 24-6-2007 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood I was a child during the Soviet collapse so I don't know much about it. But I have a theory that an empire will inevitably collapse as a result of the exponential increase in power gained by the government which weakens the population. As the government grows powerful and dominant, the population will in turn grow weak and submissive. This eventually leads to uncompetitiveness and socialist policies. It's a catch-22 because the government continues to amass more powers with socialist policies while the population requires more aid, leading to the entire structure collapsing in on itself, perhaps with a quick foray into communism first. WIKILEAKS: Surveillance Cameras Around The Country Are Being Used In A Huge Spy Network http://www.businessinsider.com/trapwire-everything-you-need-... franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3027 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood “ Confidence is the feeling a person has before he fully understands the situation.” — Author unknown Loans in U.S. in decline www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/10/us-banks-lending-idUSBRE8... Transaction in commercial paper has all but ceased in Europe http://soberlook.com/2012/08/the-collapse-of-abs-activity-in... Transaction in real estate has all but ceased in Europe " The commercial property markets in Spain and Italy have all but collapsed , according to research published this morning. Just three commercial property transactions ( office blocks , shopping malls , etc ) took place in Spain in the second quarter of 2012 , compared to 58 a year ago. In Italy, only two commercial properties changed hands, down from 56 in Q2 2011." Preparing for doomsday www.zerohedge.com/news/spiegel-investors-prepare-euro-collap... Will this be the " just shoot me moment " Tomorrow, Greece is aiming to raise € 3.125 billion through an auction of short term bonds. That's a much larger sale than usual , with the money needed to pay a € 3.2 billion bond that matures on 20 August. There is speculation that Athens may fail to get the full auction of three month bonds – will there be sufficient demand for so much Greek debt ? http://seekingalpha.com/article/803621-why-greece-is-still-t... Update : Still propped up www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9474761/Debt-cri... Up , down , and back again www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-13/treasury-notes-erase-gain-... TLT has been substantially higher in August than in the preceding few months for the last 9 years. Dark pools of whale traders & high frequency computer trading in a low volume market , no wonder it defies logic. www.bloomberg.com/video/a-zen-moment-with-wall-st-s-most-ama... . [Edited on 14-8-2012 by franklyn] DerAlte International Hazard Posts: 779 Registered: 14-5-2007 Location: Erehwon Member Is Offline Mood: Disgusted Re Education, the following touches on what I wrote earlier in this thread: Why College May Not Be Worth It http://www.cnbc.com/id/48593560 And this one deals with dishonesty in scientific publications (still rare, however) http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/10/the_reasons_for_retract... What I am more concerned about is the level of usefulness. There appears to be an increasing amount of funded ‘research’ into such trivia as which side do you sleep on, how college undergrads react to photos of the opposite sex, and innumerable pseudo-pschobabble nonsense, etc. Who provides funding for this crap? Well, ultimately J.Q.Public, either through the Government or Companies, who pass the cost it on to you . A scientific paper may only have an audience of a very few, but it is still valid (if honest and original), however obscure. Populist rubbish is another matter. Der Alte DerAlte International Hazard Posts: 779 Registered: 14-5-2007 Location: Erehwon Member Is Offline Mood: Disgusted WRT the Greek short term bond auction item mentioned by Franklyn above, I wonder how short term and who bought the junk. No doubt predicated on new bailout money for repayment, it seems some people (banks, one suspects) are prepared to take large risks for short term returns. Perhaps we might see a Gibor invented? How about a European International Overnight Rate? http://www.cnbc.com/id/48671308 Greece to Exit Euro Zone Next Month? And re ‘whales’ see http://www.cnbc.com/id/48661464 Does Buffet know something I don’t? I bet he does – he sold two of my favorites. AND I wrote above  Quote: There appears to be an increasing amount of funded ‘research’ into such trivia… . Here’s an example: Nonsocial Transient Behavior: Social Disengagement on the Greyhound Bus http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/symb.21/abstract Here’s a short quote for laughs: “Based on two years of observations and engaging in informal conversations with passengers on Greyhound Line buses …… Using ideas from Goffman's civil inattention theory, Lofland's thoughts on strangers, and symbolic interactionism, I explain what I call “nonsocial transient behavior” and “nonsocial transient space.” The reasons nonsocial transient behavior emerges and thus encourages disengagement are identified as follows: uncertainty about strangers, lack of privacy or absence of a personal space, and exhaustion.” Er, did you mean Uncertainty about strangers: I don't like the look of that guy there with the beard and dreadlocks... Lack of privacy: Shut up, dickhead, I'm working on this program on my laptop... Absence of a personal space: Move your ass over, Fatty. They should have charged you for two seats... Exhaustion: Sorry, pal, I couldn't care a rat's ass about politics. Let me sleep... Material for an MS (more shit) thesis? Or maybe even a PhD (Piled higher and Deeper)? I’m sure there must be a computer program that converts what is common experience and knowledge into a suitable type of pseudo-scientific hyper language for the purpose of thesis writing. Der Alte franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3027 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood The Greek 3 month bills get bought up by the insolvent Greek banks which pledge it as collateral to the European Central Bank ( ECB ) to obtain more lending to remain liquid while they continue to hemorage money. That's why it's called " high " finance , you have to smoke bath salts to understand it. www.cnbc.com/id/48672622 For a lucid view of things listen to Mark Grant tell it. http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000109103&startTim... http://seekingalpha.com/article/810841-europe-headed-for-leh... www.marketwatch.com/story/when-will-the-euro-collapse-its-al... Nigel Farage explains _ From Fox News August 14 , http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1785471680001/ukip-leader-eu-... Same video on youtube http://youtu.be/4wHYSzwwVDo www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00 Lyrics _ "we're only making plans for Nigel" "we only want what's best for him" "Nigel just needs this helping hand" www.lyricsdepot.com/xtc/making-plans-for-nigel.html . [Edited on 16-8-2012 by franklyn] DerAlte International Hazard Posts: 779 Registered: 14-5-2007 Location: Erehwon Member Is Offline Mood: Disgusted Since it’s the dog days and silly season on Wall St. and most of Europe is taking it's ten week vacation, although Merkel returned from hers and made some placatory noises and all seem to be pals again over the pond, the Market is flat-lined for the last week. Bonds too, although interest rate went up a bit. Even Finland said something about how unthinkable a Europe without the Euro would be! So all I can offer is the following, possibly more suited to Whimsy: Facebook Is Worst Performing Stock Over 3 Months http://www.cnbc.com/id/48701770 You’ll Regret Not Buying Facebook, Right Now: Pro http://www.cnbc.com/id/48691384/ One wonders where he got his MBA – Disneyland? Sure looks like Mickey Mouse economics; or maybe Goofy’s. Accel Unloads Facebook on Its Own Investors: Sources http://www.cnbc.com/id/48693666 Watch those limited partnerships! Re the above: Making Money in Mobile Remains Elusive: Ex-Apple CEO http://www.cnbc.com/id/48702272 FB, down a further 3% today in a flat market. It will soon be time for shorting again – wait to see if it bounces back a bit or if it stabilizes after the current lockup release before considering a move. Short if it does! At a P/E of current 108 it’s worth about$5, and I am being generous.

If you bought at $38 you were zuckered, man. The following quotes from a comment on the article say it well: (1) No one except a kid or a fool dare post anything on FB for fear of their own boss, family, friends or community. (2) Keeping up with the family and old friends isn't all it's cracked up to be. (3) Click a FB ad? Really? No freaking way. Why would anyone use FB to look up products to buy anything? We have Google for that, and, their ads aren't nearly as intrusive. ……… (7) FB advertisers are going to advertise for brand recognition? Why? We have Youtube for that kind of advertising. The kids may put up with watching an ad for a Youtube vid but to go to a FB page? (8) Everyone from retail investors to banks to brokerages got burned on the FB IPO. You think Wall Street is going to forgive FB for that IPO? Not in this lifetime Homes... Predicted halflife of FB, ~ 1yr. There are plenty of other so-called media out there; it is not even that original. Der Alte anotheronebitesthedust Hazard to Others Posts: 189 Registered: 24-6-2007 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood  Quote: com·mu·nism a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party. With a national debt of 16 trillion and no intent on paying it down, it is painfully obvious where the US is heading. Communism requires complete submissiveness to the state though, which means the population becomes weak and vulnerable to outside competition. Capitalist America was able to collapse Communist Russia rather easily. In other words Communism will require world domination in order to succeed. And of course they won't be making an official announcement of their intended goals anytime soon. DerAlte International Hazard Posts: 779 Registered: 14-5-2007 Location: Erehwon Member Is Offline Mood: Disgusted Interesting analysis of the problems caused by debt and subsequent danger of the demise of capitalism: unfortunately, only in video, with a transcript : The New Depression? http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?play=1&video=3000110331 And, if you can stand Cramer and his rants, a comment on FarceBook: Cramer: You Need to See Thiel BUY Here http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?play=1&video=3000110603 Der Alte franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3027 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood The new normal www.marketwatch.com/story/fortunes-to-be-made-off-euro-crisi... Follow the money www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9484435/Lord-Rot... http://wallstreetexaminer.com/2012/08/21/bloomberg-report-th... www.zerohedge.com/news/flight-safety-foreign-banks-domiciled... __________________________________________ 60 Minutes - The Speed Traders (June 5, 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2VHVcwLonI . [Edited on 23-8-2012 by franklyn] AndersHoveland Hazard to Other Members, due to repeated speculation and posting of untested highly dangerous procedures! Posts: 1986 Registered: 2-3-2011 Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood  Quote: Erkki Tuomioja, the country’s veteran foreign minister and a member of the Social Democratic Party... had a copy of the Economist on his desk. It had a picture of Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, reading a fictitious report entitled “How to break up the euro”, I hope people realise that The Economist is just another form of media, with all the same type of propaganda as any other major media source. But this magazine may be even more dangerous because it is being read by those making important decissions. Anyone who can shape politicians and economist's perception of the economy also wields a considerable influence over the economy. Why did all the Western governments get into debt? There was no war. And where is all the compounding interest payments going to go? from taxpayers to wealthy investors. [Edited on 22-8-2012 by AndersHoveland] Rosco Bodine Banned Posts: 6370 Registered: 29-9-2004 Member Is Offline Mood: analytical Regarding fiscal realism and the need for government operating budgets ..... franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3027 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood TLT closed today 127.75 I'm back in the money again , yes ! I'm back in the money again. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fUhWVA0Sw0 www.youtube.com/watch?v=VELyaPdotCQ ____________________________ http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000113158&play=1 All eyes on Europe the first 2 weeks of September http://www.zerohedge.com/news/complete-ranked-world-calendar... . franklyn International Hazard Posts: 3027 Registered: 30-5-2006 Location: Da Big Apple Member Is Offline Mood: No Mood " The smart money, as represented by the typical hedge fund, is lagging the prices represented by the indices, because they can see the size of the potential crash and are aware the risk is more likely than not." http://seekingalpha.com/article/841671-16-reasons-this-septe... www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9... Chaos ahead www.cnbc.com/id/48889555 http://seekingalpha.com/article/842001-bank-runs-a-spanish-l... www.zerohedge.com/news/spain-whom-bell-now-tolls " The central bank of Spain just released the net capital outflow numbers and they are disastrous. During the month of June alone$ 70.90 billion left the Spanish banks and in July it was worse at
$92.88 billion which is 4.7 % of total bank deposits in Spain. For the first seven months of the year the outflow adds up to$ 368.80 billion or 17.7 % of the total bank deposits of Spain and
the trajectory of the outflow is increasing dramatically. Reality is reality and Spain is experiencing
a full-fledged run on its banks whether anyone in Europe wants to admit it or not."

•6 September: Spain auction. Bonds
•18 September: Spain auction. Bills
•20 September: Spain auction. Bonds
•25 September: Spain auction. Bills
•4 October: Spain auction. Bonds
•16 October: Spain auction. Bills
•18 October: Spain auction. Bonds
•23 October: Spain auction. Bills

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