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The thing about chemistry and the sciences is that most of the results that will be listed in the wiki are repeatable: it can be demonstrated in a
lab. Not so much with the history that is prevalent in sources like Wikipedia.
It may also be a good idea to link videos as well. I'll start a page on trimethyl borate and include one of my own videos for shameless self-promotion
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Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force  | | The thing about chemistry and the sciences is that most of the results that will be listed in the wiki are repeatable: it can be demonstrated in a
lab. Not so much with the history that is prevalent in sources like Wikipedia. |
Very true. I guess we could
do it like Tdep does, and vouch that the information in the page is correct in the references section.
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I'm currently testing a large amount of features on the wiki, including achievements, polls, etc. Let's see how things work out. Feel free to give me
feedback.
Oh, and edit an article within the category "Acids" for a surprise...
[Edited on 14.8.2014 by Brain&Force]
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Oh ok, oops, didn't see this. I just sent you a U2U asking about that, lol.
I was going to try implementing some of those features myself at some point, but never got around to it.
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Serious question: What do we put in the category of "acids?" I know that iron(III) chloride is a Lewis acid, so by definition it's an acid. BUT I also
know that the use of the word "acid" implies something that donates protons like HCl, HBr, H2SO4, etc. Should Lewis acids like
ferric chloride go under the category "acids?"
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How about we assume Brønsted-Lowry acids for things in the acids category, and have a separate category for Lewis acids, since the concept is a bit
broad?
(And the same for bases too)
[Edited on 8-14-2014 by zts16]
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That's how I've been doing it the whole time, so no change is needed.
Also, if a Sciencemadness member is selling an element or compound, can he/she put up a notice on the wiki? It might be of use for trades.
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Yeah, that's why I figured that it'd
be easiest that way. 
| Quote: Originally posted by Brain&Force | | Also, if a Sciencemadness member is selling an element or compound, can he/she put up a notice on the wiki? It might be of use for trades.
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I don't see why not. Maybe we could have a marketplace page too, where all notices can be additionally
located.
Oh, and I made some of the adding categories achievements related to bonding. (Single bond, double bond, triple bond) not sure yet what the rest will
be though. I'm trying to think of something chemistry related to use for the picture achievements also.
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Lol, I just discovered that the wiki suggests eating a concentrated alkali hydroxide solution... Great idea.
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I already finished it for you. I know a few members are trying to sell stuff, I'll contact them to see if they're interested.
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| Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | | Very true. I guess we could do it like Tdep does, and vouch that the information in the page is correct in the references section.
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I wouldn't say I was vouching for its correctness, I'd say I'm taking responsibility for the information I provide. So if you see something slightly
questionable, you know who to argue with
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| Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | | Lol, I just discovered that the wiki suggests eating a concentrated alkali hydroxide solution... Great idea. |
Look what I found on Wikipedia:
I really, really, REALLY do not want to see this edited out.
[edit] oh, wait, TATP really is called "Mother of Satan!"
[Edited on 15.8.2014 by Brain&Force]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tdep | | Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | | Very true. I guess we could do it like Tdep does, and vouch that the information in the page is correct in the references section.
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I wouldn't say I was vouching for its correctness, I'd say I'm taking responsibility for the information I provide. So if you see something slightly
questionable, you know who to argue with |
Yeah, that's basically what I meant.
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So recommended way of citing at the moment? I prefer the self vouching for now, but how exactly should I put that on the pages?
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Here's what I would recommend: use whatever sources are available, but try to follow this order of precedence for which sources are better:
1. Any handbooks, such as CRC
2. "Trustworthy" websites
3. Sciencemadness threads
4. Personal experience (and if you use this, I highly recommend you start a blog or post about experiment results on your talk page).
There are badges given for editing articles about acids, bases and lanthanides, and I'll be adding more categories to encourage editing.
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Yeah, I was going to work on that. I thought you'd appreciate the lanthanides one though. I thought of some more achievement names last night after I got off too, such as Mischmetal, but I see that you filled in the rest of
them. And I think that we should have a page similar to Get Started that has the basic editing protocol and rules for everyone to read, with a link to
it in big attention-getting text on the main page.
Edit: I'm working on the editing guidelines page now.
Edit again: B&F, I copied your list from your last post directly into the page
[Edited on 8-16-2014 by zts16]
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I have a logo for us! What do you think of it?
Also, what else do you think should be incentivized on the wiki? I was thinking transition metals, organic compounds, solvents, and lab equipment.
Potentially energetic materials as well, because we need safety procedures for their production and handling.
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I would have suggested exactly the ones that you suggested. I was about to make a track for organic compounds earlier, but then I had to go do
something. Maybe also theory? We have almost no theory on there, but that's just as important as chemicals and equipment, albeit more difficult to
write about.
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| Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | | Maybe also theory? We have almost no theory on there, but that's just as important as chemicals and equipment, albeit more difficult to write about.
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Don't get too far ahead, there's more than enough chemicals and equipement to keep writing about for now 
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tdep | | Quote: Originally posted by zts16 | | Maybe also theory? We have almost no theory on there, but that's just as important as chemicals and equipment, albeit more difficult to write about.
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Don't get too far ahead, there's more than enough chemicals and equipement to keep writing about for now |
Yeah, you're right about that. We've all got a lot on our plates. It would
be nice if some other people would help out. (hint hint)
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These categories are really hard to incentivize. If I want to edit the article "Terbium sulfate" it won't count as an edit to the Lanthanides category
because it's not a member of that category. Hopefully Wikia has a way of fixing this...
Anyway, I realized that we need to do a better job of promoting the use of the wiki. If you see a place where an article on the wiki may have
information on the topic at hand (especially in Beginnings) post a link!
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Sorry I haven't helped more...I get distracted while I'm on the computer. Yea, let's not move on to theory till we have an article on clasien flasks
(this should be a good indicator of how detailed we get in our article-writing). We might want a list of starter subjects for people wanting to
contribute only a little. (Like: "favorite chemical, most often used piece of equipment, strong chemical... etc.).
Sorry for the scetchiness of this post, I'm not even supposed to be on the computer right now...
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On the subject of trades, do you want to have a single page where sellers can list their items or do you want to put stuff for sale on the relevant
pages (so someone selling cobalt would have a notification on the "Acquisition" section of the cobalt page)? If we use a single central page, should
we make it free for anyone with an account to put up an ad, or should we restrict it to admin editing only?
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Let's make one central page. It's a lot easier that way, because then you can see everything that's for sale all in one place. And I think we can have
it open to anyone with an account unless it causes any problems. If it does then we can restrict it at that point. It would be a lot simpler once the
wiki gets integrated to the forum, however that may happen.
Edit: I made the page, it's really simplistic, but something to start with.
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I added in some rules and legalese. Tell me if you think there need to be any edits to the policies included.
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