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[*] posted on 10-4-2023 at 12:34


Hey Buddy, i just saw your message.... Check this out, it may help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrBWW_fqe8
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[*] posted on 10-4-2023 at 14:47


Quote: Originally posted by underground  
Hey Buddy, i just saw your message.... Check this out, it may help you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTrBWW_fqe8


I have seen this but that is what is confusing. I am using the same source of synthesis that he is using in the video but I have done something wrong which I can't seem to identify yet. The main striking difference is that in the ANQN video he is seeing a deepening of color to clear orange on standing after neutralization with HCl. Where as in my case, I am seeing clear yellow prior to neutralization then there is opaque precipitate that comes out of solution when adjusting pH. It never gets clear orange. I have achieved an orange solution once, but it was in an experiment with no neutralization at high pH. In that case nothing precipitated out of solution for 2 days of standing. I may attempt to copy the source procedure again and take some pictues. Maybe it will happen once again and i can capture whats going on.

[Edited on 10-4-2023 by Hey Buddy]

I have reviewed the video and writeup based on video. There are some errors. Unfortunately that write up (if actually what was used in video) is a bit short on hydrazine ratio to NQ so it wouldnt be capable of a complete hydrazinolysis. I will instead try the last work up I used but will increase ratio of hydrazine.

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[*] posted on 10-4-2023 at 21:54
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Back in lab on this. I tried the reaction with a little greater excess of hydrazine and used water instead of alcohol. Easily achieved dark orange color. Precipitation of fine material already began after adjusting pH to 7. I believe alcohol somehow prevents the correct reaction and kicks out nitroguanidine. H2O allows it to proceed correctly and smoothly. --Im testing out some ANQ salts as primary explosives. First check is simple cupramine ANQ perchlorate.

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[*] posted on 28-4-2023 at 05:14


Does anyone know of a place to get cheap hydrazine hydrate?
I've had a hard time freebasing the sulfate.
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[*] posted on 28-4-2023 at 07:55


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[*] posted on 28-4-2023 at 10:07


Is ANGN enough sensitive as plastic explosive (pib+oil)?
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[*] posted on 28-4-2023 at 18:04


ANQN is impact sensitive to 10J and 120N on friction according to Klapotke. That sensitivity, 10 J/120 N for ANQN, is comparable to RDX @ 7.5 J/120 N. From what I see, ANQN may generally be more insensitive than a 10 J equivalent. It is definitely mechanically insensitive enough for a Plastic Bonded eXplosive. My immediate concern, without any testing, is possible flame reactivity. If the explosive is bound it can change behavior and ANQN deflagrates in flame contact more vigorously than rdx, in my opinion.

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