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Explain please.
Does shaking a bottle of distillate *sound* different or something, depending on EtOH concentration ?
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ah. Youtube
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Aga, if you get enrichment, can you please try two thumpers in series as well (if you have the glassware)?
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Yup, 'dis er here is good alk-e-hol
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Quote: Originally posted by aga  | 208 is a lot of centigrade, so i assume you mean Farenheit ( or 97C).
That implies it's the liquid temperature rather than the Vapor temperature, which is what i watch in normal distillations.
For the experiment, there will hopefully be 3 thermometers: 1 for each stillhead for the Vapor temperatures, and one in the Thumper Liquid.
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It's funny. I work in Millimeters rather than inches, yet Centigrade alludes me.
I'll get the hang of it, sooner than later.
The three thermometers will prove interesting to watch. You will get to see the boil points shiftingfrom the boiler to the thumper. One in the boiler
liquid id the main one to keep an eye on, and the product stream is the Most important factor. You want a steady, yet broken stream. Nothing faster.
Almost fast drops per second. Throttling the heat to maintain that is much more important than watching temps.
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | | Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | | Key to the thumper is having the vapor inlet as close to the bottom as can be done. In fact touching the bottom is the way a proper thump is run. It
creates smaller bubbles, and allows for more vapor / liquid interaction. |
If i'd have known that, i'd have ordered a frit as well ! |
It's not really needed to run this. Most fellas run a 2" copper pipe to the bottom. That's where the name "Thumper came from. The massive vapor
bubbles hitting the bottom of the barrel bounces the pipe untill the thumper liquid heats up.
It's better than watching Golf!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Loptr | | Quote: Originally posted by aga | | Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | | Key to the thumper is having the vapor inlet as close to the bottom as can be done. In fact touching the bottom is the way a proper thump is run. It
creates smaller bubbles, and allows for more vapor / liquid interaction. |
If i'd have known that, i'd have ordered a frit as well ! |
Stuff some glass wool into the tube. It will help to disperse the gas.
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Hell, since we are doing it thumper-style, wrap any sort of non-reactive meshing around the end of the tube. Anything that can force gas bubbles to
burst as they exit the down tube.
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Not a bad suggestion. You just have to be careful not to create back pressure.
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga |
Explain please.
Does shaking a bottle of distillate *sound* different or something, depending on EtOH concentration ? |
LOL No!
It's the bubbles. Hillbilly trick.
Large long lasting bubbles indicate higher proof, and small short lived bubbles indicate lower proof.
It's a comparative "skill". When you retrieve your final samples. I'l wager you will be able to see the difference if you shake them in small sample
bottles.
Make a Vid, and post it. I'll tell you the proof.
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He's repeating what he heard but explaining it incorrectly.
Long liver bubbles are higher proof.
Try this at home kids! Jack Daniels may be in your future.
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| Quote: Originally posted by deltaH | | Aga, if you get enrichment, can you please try two thumpers in series as well (if you have the glassware)?
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If the data shows that it works, we probably will.
For the record, i'm just the pot boiling moonshine monkey, and the Science is all up to Bloggers.
Personally i can see that the original heated debate was all about a Thumper not being able to magically defy the laws of physics.
The Key point missed was that a Thumper introduces a Time factor to the distillate concentration, in that you should first get a Higher ethanol
concentration in the Early distillate, which steadily decreases over the Time of the run.
Over an Entire run, until the last drop of ethanol is extracted, there is no difference at all, as thermodynamics et al predict correctly.
For the purposes of Drinking the stuff, Flavour is important (can't imagine why), so that would be a more important factor than the overall efficiency
to moonshiners.
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga |
The Key point missed was that a Thumper introduces a Time factor to the distillate concentration, in that you should first get a Higher ethanol
concentration in the Early distillate, which steadily decreases over the Time of the run. |
How does it do that?
In any distillation the first drops contain a high concentration of the lower boiling substance, thumper or not.
Seems like the opposite would be true for a thumpified setup. As the water will first dissolve a lot of ETOH, (unless you use ETOH in the thumper to
begin with).
Also, a time factor doesn't change anything about it braking laws of physics, it makes no difference.
[Edited on 19-2-2015 by Molecular Manipulations]
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We don't know for certain (either way) at this point, hence the Experiment.
The Data will tell us all more.
Personally i think that the boiling pot effectively transfers heat and most of it's ethanol into the thumper, which, due to the heat, boils, but
starts boiling at a Higher ethanol concentration than the original boiling pot.
Higher starting ethanol conc = higher distillate conc.
Then, the boiling pot can only pour steam & heat into the thumper, which continues heating it, yet also dilutes it, lowering the Output EtOH
concentration over Time.
That's My theory, and i'm sticking to it or i win/lose a fiver.
[Edited on 19-2-2015 by aga]
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Aga, please get some billy dungarees. I'll send you the 'ABTT' cap ('Aga Blogfast Thumpy Team')!
"ABTT ROCKS!!!"
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| Quote: Originally posted by deltaH | | Aga, if you get enrichment, can you please try two thumpers in series as well (if you have the glassware)? |
No thumper greed please, we're Britbillies!
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BritBillies simply cannot spelly incorrectly, never mind sayz stuff like dang.
Deys dang fools, hot damn.
However one plays the Ukelale rather well.
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Zomb:
Conversion F to C:
T(°C) = (T(°F) - 32) × 5/9
http://www.rapidtables.com/convert/temperature/how-fahrenhei...
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga |
Blogfast25 has roped me in to do the dirty work, as he's currently 100% committed to skiiving.
Here's the photos of what Bloggers and i think will provide a fair approximation of a Thumper, using standard glassware.
Any thoughts or suggestions ?
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1. Is that skiing, skydiving, or skivie-ing?
2. How are you going to sample the vapor off the boiler - I see no sample tap?
3. I thought the "thumping" sound would be from collapsing bubbles of vapor.
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The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | BritBillies simply cannot spelly incorrectly, never mind sayz stuff like dang.
Deys dang fools, hot damn.
However one plays the Ukelale rather well. |
Hotdigirrydoo? "It's a long way to Tipperary!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqrAPOZxgzU
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I suspect Bloggers has done a side experiment, and doesn't want to share the data just yet.
I asked ...
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On a serious note I've basically been bed ridden for a month or more. I'd have done it myself otherwise. Looks like fellow Britbilly is set to do a
good job and that's what matters.
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Is that Bloggers, or the consultant he flew in from Appalacia?
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | I suspect Bloggers has done a side experiment, and doesn't want to share the data just yet.
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This I have to dispel completely. Apart from still supping cider, no alcohol has been near them here billyhands.
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erm, i must confess to studying Beer for rather too long a time ...
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Explain?
Britain is the NEW Appalachia! 
[Edited on 19-2-2015 by blogfast25]
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He doesn't believe that the random hillbilly photo i found is one of you.
I think heeen got a purty mouth, hot dang.
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