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[*] posted on 22-12-2019 at 18:05


They didn't balk at the order, but there is no projected shipping time or expected arrival date.

Will post when I find out if this worked.

I've actually still got most of the Polish stuff, but you folks get me paranoid about my supply chain sometimes.

BTW: Not being used for what you think it's for.
I'm fairly legit for an underground chemist.




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[*] posted on 23-12-2019 at 04:06


We sell red phosphorus with worldwide delivery.

https://chemcraft.su/product/23894

[Edited on 23-12-2019 by Chemcraft]

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[Edited on 23-12-2019 by Chemcraft]
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[*] posted on 23-12-2019 at 12:00


Be careful with selling red P to the USA. A UK-based seller of red P (and other, mostly pyrotechnics-related chemicals like Al, Mg, KNO3, KClO4 and a few other oxidizers and flame colorants) sold quite a lot of red P to USA-based customers (and sold practically none of the other chemicals to the USA). This seller was imprisoned on request of the USA. IIRC they even were delivered to the USA to be taken in custody over there. The seller was www.kno3.com and was of course shut down after this event.

The reason the USA wanted them punished was that a lot of the red P was used for making illicit drugs (mostly crystal meth). This was in 2007 or so, quite some years ago. But I still remember quite well, I found it quite scary at the time.

[Edited on 23-12-19 by woelen]




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[*] posted on 30-12-2019 at 10:02


There is a lot of red P threads on this board. Is phosphorus all that useful? Or is it just for element collections?
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[*] posted on 30-12-2019 at 12:12


Quote: Originally posted by lordcookies24  
There is a lot of red P threads on this board. Is phosphorus all that useful? Or is it just for element collections?


Crucial in regiospecific halogenation of alcohols.




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[*] posted on 31-12-2019 at 06:29


Quote: Originally posted by PirateDocBrown  
Quote: Originally posted by lordcookies24  
There is a lot of red P threads on this board. Is phosphorus all that useful? Or is it just for element collections?


Crucial in regiospecific halogenation of alcohols.


That's certainly one way of putting it.
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[*] posted on 31-12-2019 at 06:52


Quote: Originally posted by G-Coupled  
Quote: Originally posted by PirateDocBrown  
Quote: Originally posted by lordcookies24  
There is a lot of red P threads on this board. Is phosphorus all that useful? Or is it just for element collections?


Crucial in regiospecific halogenation of alcohols.


That's certainly one way of putting it.


When alcohol halogenation is tried with hydrohalic acids as the reagent, rearrangement can occur. Use of phosphorus halides retains regiospecificity.




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[*] posted on 31-12-2019 at 07:00


Quote: Originally posted by PirateDocBrown  
Quote: Originally posted by G-Coupled  
Quote: Originally posted by PirateDocBrown  
Quote: Originally posted by lordcookies24  
There is a lot of red P threads on this board. Is phosphorus all that useful? Or is it just for element collections?


Crucial in regiospecific halogenation of alcohols.


That's certainly one way of putting it.


When alcohol halogenation is tried with hydrohalic acids as the reagent, rearrangement can occur. Use of phosphorus halides retains regiospecificity.


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[*] posted on 31-12-2019 at 15:36


My 100 gram order has been shipped.
No estimated arrival date.
https://cdn.dmnews.com/files/base/acbm/dmn/image/2014/01/960...

Woelen's post about the dangers of selling it in the US is interesting as I was considering putting this stuff in ampoules and selling it on Ebay to element collectors.

I doubt I'd have trouble with the purchased for drug manufacturing thing.
I mean, who would buy 1 gram of red P to make amphetamines, a Smurf?

But If this would require DEA paperwork I'll certainly pass.
Just not worth the trouble.

The markup is pretty good, but its not like there'd be much volume.
If you tried to grab a large share of the Ebay market you'd just depress the prices. And for what, a couple of sales a week?

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[*] posted on 31-12-2019 at 17:15


Well there are laws about licenses for importing or selling list 1 chemicals (like ephedrine). And possessing them in certain states. I'm sure there would be sales but who would be buying and how much are the police willing to pay.



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[*] posted on 14-1-2020 at 09:46


Just got 100 grams of red P in the mail from Russia.

It is vacuum packed in a plastic bag, and it says 99.4%.

Haven't tested it.





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[*] posted on 14-1-2020 at 23:35


If it is from chemcraft.su, then you can trust it. That company delivers good quality materials and definitely is trustworthy.



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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 11:07


Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
Be careful with selling red P to the USA. A UK-based seller of red P (and other, mostly pyrotechnics-related chemicals like Al, Mg, KNO3, KClO4 and a few other oxidizers and flame colorants) sold quite a lot of red P to USA-based customers (and sold practically none of the other chemicals to the USA). This seller was imprisoned on request of the USA. IIRC they even were delivered to the USA to be taken in custody over there. The seller was www.kno3.com and was of course shut down after this event.

The reason the USA wanted them punished was that a lot of the red P was used for making illicit drugs (mostly crystal meth). This was in 2007 or so, quite some years ago. But I still remember quite well, I found it quite scary at the time.

[Edited on 23-12-19 by woelen]


Do you have any links to any articles about this? I can see on archive.org that the last version of their website (Sep 04, 2006) was titled Raw Chemicals International Ltd, you would think that one would easily be able to find some details about the company and the legal troubles that brought it down with the name and URL, but I guess not... Or maybe my Google-fu just isn't what it use to be... :(
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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 11:27


Yeah, the world police nation will put you in jail, they just put pressure on the respective gubbermints.
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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 12:01


See here: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10290375.man-finally-...



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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 12:21


Whoa, his "wife" looks like it was born a man :o
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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 14:24


@karlos³: I see a tendency in your posts to add non-relevant comments which distract from the main subject of the thread. This is a very effective way of diluting threads and having them going south. Please try to avoid that and try to remain on-topic. A little going to a side-topic is not an issue, but going completely off-topic derails threads very easily.



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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 17:47


Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
@karlos³: I see a tendency in your posts to add non-relevant comments which distract from the main subject of the thread. This is a very effective way of diluting threads and having them going south. Please try to avoid that and try to remain on-topic. A little going to a side-topic is not an issue, but going completely off-topic derails threads very easily.


Woolen sir, I see humor, you see non-relevant. No harm, no foul.
Please do not become too puritan.
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[*] posted on 28-1-2020 at 23:47


Point is clear. Let's try to find a good balance in this.



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[*] posted on 29-1-2020 at 09:36


Why not both? I see this as irrelevant humour:P
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[*] posted on 29-1-2020 at 13:49


Quote: Originally posted by woelen  
See here: https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10290375.man-finally-...


Yeah, they were based not far from where I live. Personally I think the extradition was ridiculous because they were supplying materials that are totally unrestricted in the UK. But, we have an unfair extradition treaty with the USA...

Then again, he was apparently a child abuser too so I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for him.
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[*] posted on 30-1-2020 at 04:38


Quote: Originally posted by fusso  
Why not both? I see this as irrelevant humour:P


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[*] posted on 3-2-2020 at 14:29


https://onyxmet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path...



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[*] posted on 4-2-2020 at 02:21


Quote: Originally posted by Fery  
https://onyxmet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path...


Those prices seem pretty good, and that store looks real handy, too. :cool:
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[*] posted on 4-2-2020 at 11:09


Yes, onyxmet seems to be kind for EU, because when buying from outside of EU the parcel is checked by customs and you have to declare the content and possibly hit the alert.
Sorry this article is in language most of you do not understand, but you can use online translator if interested. In short, 20 years young girl living in my country hit the alert because buying 156 kg of P, 200 kg of I2, 140 l of H3PO4 and other chemicals during 3 months so custom officers started to watch her and revealed illegal activities. But I believe that in case the girl did not use it illegally then no problem (she even had registered business ID).
https://www.celnisprava.cz/cz/tiskove-zpravy/2018/Stranky/ce...
Anyway better to avoid any checks - intra EU is not checked.




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