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[*] posted on 29-10-2016 at 19:36


I recently made a slurry composition containing by weight: 70% Sodium Chlorate
9% H2O
20% 200 mesh aluminium powder
1% guar gum

Charge was 1kg Detonated with a no.8 blasting cap with 10g ETN booster.
Performance was impressive considering the ease of manufacture and availability of chemicals. Id compare it to anfo in power.
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[*] posted on 29-10-2016 at 19:53


Storage stability might be an issue with that composition, so you should store the components unmixed.



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[*] posted on 29-10-2016 at 20:24


IIRC there is a patent from the 60s (Melvin Cook et al.) regarding sodium chlorate based blasting agents using various fuels such as ethylene glycol, methanol, ethanol and isopropanol.
Unfortunately the patent didn't go into much detail regarding the performance.
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[*] posted on 29-10-2016 at 21:22


Would storage stability problems arise from the fact that the composition contains aluminium and water? Or am i overlooking something. Id like to find a way to make it storable.
I came across a page which detailed a few compositions of Sodium Perchlorate mixtures that might be interesting given their stated VOD of 5800-7010 m/s.

Composition #1
67% sodium perchlorate, 33% matrix.
matrix:
Diethylene Glycol 75%
Water 10%
Calcium Nitrate 12.4%
Guar Gum 2.5%
Glacial Acetic Acid 0.1%

Composition #2
60% sodium perchlorate, 40% matrix.
matrix:
61% Aqueous Sodium Perchlorate Solution 30%
Calcium Nitrate 10%
Diethylene Glycol 57%
Guar Gum 2.9%
Glacial Acetic Acid .1%

Composition #3
65% sodium perchlorate, 35% matrix.
matrix:
61% Aqueous Sodium Perchlorate Solution 20%
Calcium Nitrate 10%
Diethylene Glycol 67%
Guar Gum 3%
Glacial Acetic Acid .1%

Composition #4
62% dry sodium perchlorate and 38% matrix.
Matrix:
61% Aqueous Solution of Sodium Perchlorate 25%
Diethylene Glycol 73%
Guar Gum 2%

Composition #5
68% sodium perchlorate 32% matrix.
Matrix:
Diethylene Glycol 74%
Water 11%
Calcium Nitrate 12%
Guar Gum 2%
Glacial Acetic Acid 1%

Composition #6
64.5% sodium perchlorate, 28% matrix.
Matrix:
Diethylene Glycol 84%
Water 12.5%
Guar Gum 2.4%
Glacial Acetic Acid 1.1%

Composition #7
58 sodium perchlorate, 32% matrix.
Matrix:
Diethylene Glycol 75%
Water 11.5%
Calcium Nitrate 13.5%

Composition #8
55% sodium perchlorate, 45% matrix.
matrix:
61% Aqueous Sodium Perchlorate Solution 35%
Calcium Nitrate 10%
Diethylene Glycol 53.5%
Guar Gum 1.5%

"The detonation velocity i listed must have been for all the explosive compositions. So the velocity of these compositions ranges from 5800-7010 m/s according to the patent. Not just potassium perchlorate and sodium perchlorate can be used, but most inorganic chlorate or perchlorate salts. Some are more sensitive than others though. 1 lb charges of composition 1 and 2 shattered a 3/4" steel plate and the rest of the compositions blasted holes in the plate."
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[*] posted on 2-11-2016 at 13:50


I seems that would Alfred Nobel pretty looking on it..
This composition are same power as dynamite 60%. However without dangerous nitroglycerin. Maybe is possible say, that only hygroscopicity is problem for this mixtures. But it is only one disadvantage. All others properties are better. If you making from this composition dynamite shape and wrapped in aluminium foil is problem almost nothing. And if is the air around pretty dry, under 50%, is it all better than the dynamite. Produce NaClO4 should be easily than produce HNO3 + H2SO4 + nitration + neutralisation process.
PS: Mixtures with Al, this type, are stabbile only 24 hrs. Arises Hydrogen.

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[*] posted on 2-11-2016 at 19:16


Quote: Originally posted by MadHatter  
Sounds similar to what this thread is describing. One mixture, called rackarock, is made with
potassium chlorate and mononitrobenzene. It was used in New York City to blast out the
Hell Gate Channel on the East River. Right now, I can't find any VODs on this mixture.

Here's a good demonstration
https://vimeo.com/184011174




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[*] posted on 2-11-2016 at 23:46


Excellent video. Thanks for the link, it was a shame when explosiopedia's channel was removed from youtube but its good to see that he's active on vimeo. As for these mixtures containing Aluminium only being stable for 24 hrs due to the production of hydrogen, couldn't you add boric acid to reduce it? I believe many explosives use boric acid for exactly this reason.
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[*] posted on 3-11-2016 at 07:14


One could also:
1°)coat the Al dust with HE NC lacker (collodion) and dry...to avoid direct contact of reactive Al with water...the NC would contribute to the explosive effect.
2°)use perchlorates that are more soluble into organic solvents to avoid water presence.
3°)use solvents or solvaters that dissolves better oxo-salts into organic solvents (quaternary ammonium, crown ethers, cryptants, ...)
4°)Find a composition with concentrated HNO3 that is storage compatible/safe with fuels...
Al is passivated into concentrated HNO3...but unknown is what happens when NaClO4 or other perchlorates are present aswel?




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[*] posted on 3-11-2016 at 08:05


The international situation is very serious. For this reason videos containing energetic materials, and their preparation was be deleted.
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[*] posted on 3-11-2016 at 10:07


@L-Liptakov,
Today I just had the time to watch your two videos on vimeo about Kidonite, a few minutes later they were deleted :mad::mad::mad:...only remains your fuel C and minium videos (found by searching via Alfred Liptakov).

The Vimeo Sprengel was stil in action...but for how long?




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[*] posted on 19-2-2019 at 16:13


Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
NaClO4 75 + DEG 25 + Water 5 - 15 + optional item: guar gum 1, Al 2 - 5. Dr.


I am curious, do you remember if the perchlorate completely dissolved? or were there grains of NaClO4 in the composition after mixing? Also, do you know how fine the aluminum powder was? Thank you.




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[*] posted on 19-2-2019 at 22:31


Of course, was tested yesterday. With a new NaClO4 from acetone separation process. Free available patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US5665935
......:cool:...LL
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5880399A/en

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