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How dare you share that picture of my uncle!? I gave that to you with a confidentiality agreement!
And I doubt anyone is looking at his mouth.
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Quote: Originally posted by aga  | I suspect Bloggers has done a side experiment, and doesn't want to share the data just yet.
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That's popcorn sutton! He killed himself, IIRC, when the law came for his still.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/local-news/moonshiner-popcorn-s...
I was in Cocke county not too long ago on a vacation with the family. I didn't know that was the county he lived. (Vacation to Gatlinburg, Tn;
whitewater rafting trip in Cocke county)
[Edited on 19-2-2015 by Loptr]
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Nvm. He lived in Parrotsville.
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Zombie
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | | Quote: Originally posted by deltaH | | Aga, if you get enrichment, can you please try two thumpers in series as well (if you have the glassware)?
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If the data shows that it works, we probably will.
For the record, i'm just the pot boiling moonshine monkey, and the Science is all up to Bloggers.
Personally i can see that the original heated debate was all about a Thumper not being able to magically defy the laws of physics.
The Key point missed was that a Thumper introduces a Time factor to the distillate concentration, in that you should first get a Higher ethanol
concentration in the Early distillate, which steadily decreases over the Time of the run.
Over an Entire run, until the last drop of ethanol is extracted, there is no difference at all, as thermodynamics et al predict correctly.
For the purposes of Drinking the stuff, Flavour is important (can't imagine why), so that would be a more important factor than the overall efficiency
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99% correct. The difference is you will get a higher ABV due to concentration (with a thump), and more volume / lower ABV (without a thump)
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That's a shame. We should be protecting our moonshiners as a tourist attraction.
The single most important condition for a successful synthesis is good mixing - Nicodem
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | We don't know for certain (either way) at this point, hence the Experiment.
The Data will tell us all more.
Personally i think that the boiling pot effectively transfers heat and most of it's ethanol into the thumper, which, due to the heat, boils, but
starts boiling at a Higher ethanol concentration than the original boiling pot.
Higher starting ethanol conc = higher distillate conc.
Then, the boiling pot can only pour steam & heat into the thumper, which continues heating it, yet also dilutes it, lowering the Output EtOH
concentration over Time.
That's My theory, and i'm sticking to it or i win/lose a fiver.
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You are 100% correct.
What you still did not factor in is the BP of each. They start off equal, the thump BP gets lower as the ABV rises, and the pot gets hotter as ABV
decreases.
Said it forty times... That is what makes this work, and insulation is not mandatory due to this shift.
[Edited on 20-2-2015 by Zombie]
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
Aga, please get some billy dungarees. I'll send you the 'ABTT' cap ('Aga Blogfast Thumpy Team')! 
"ABTT ROCKS!!!"
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You forgot the can of "Dip" (Chewin' Tobaccy)
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Or there's this...
http://joshmadison.com/convert-for-windows/
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I'll see ya and raise ya two...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTQQWSmo8s
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | I suspect Bloggers has done a side experiment, and doesn't want to share the data just yet.
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Thats' Popcorn Sutton. He actually has an amazing life story. It's worth looking up.
He committed suicide rather than do federal time for moonshining.
The man is estimated to have made 3 million dollars worth of liquor in his lifetime.
Here is the foot stone from his grave.
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You guys are all gonna do time fer moonshinin'
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I loahst all my toothies by crackin' open them billy bottles of wheat beer with my mah cakehole, brov. Keep yer powder dry! I fought the Lhaw and the
Lhaw lost...
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I thought we did? what about NASCAR? and "reality" TV?
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When in Nashville to attend a technical meeting I made a side trip to Lynchburg, TN and toured the Jack Daniels distillery. They use large
distillation columns, bubble-cap plates IIRC, and activated self-made charcoal lumps to absorb the nasties. It's ironic that this is all located in a
"dry" county. Therefore they couldn't provide us tourists with a sample of their famous sippin' whiskey. 
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It don't swing if ain't got that thumpin' thing!
I got arrested in a dry county in Texas once (for 2 Bud Lights). Seriously! One night in the Drunk Tank (LOL) and $80 fine after pleading guilty.
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I think you're all wrong about this-seriously-the thumper allows a takeoff for co-distilling water and byproducts that come off early. If you used a
fractionating still you'd get almost pure ethanol/water 95%. With a gooseneck and thumper you get a liquor. The thumper keep the liquor from being
"too flavorful." The stuff called fusel oil is made up of higher boiling alcohols. Higher boiling but not so high boiling they don't co-distill with
the ethanol/water but a lot of them drop out just after the first bend in the copper. This is where the thumper collects them. I'm going to make one
with glass and try it with different columns and straight still configurations.
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I can just picture that!!!
You know the first thing I noticed when we moved "down south".
Every gas station you pull into has a bath tub sized cooler full of ice, and beer. No lid to open, just reach in and grab a cold one right next to the
checkout.
It's as if they are supplying the driving / influence, to driving under the influence.
It's a practice that I think should be banned down here. No ice cold sodas, They're in the cooler across the room. Just beer.
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| Quote: Originally posted by chemrox | | I think you're all wrong about this-seriously-the thumper allows a takeoff for co-distilling water and byproducts that come off early. If you used a
fractionating still you'd get almost pure ethanol/water 95%. With a gooseneck and thumper you get a liquor. The thumper keep the liquor from being
"too flavorful." The stuff called fusel oil is made up of higher boiling alcohols. Higher boiling but not so high boiling they don't co-distill with
the ethanol/water but a lot of them drop out just after the first bend in the copper. This is where the thumper collects them. I'm going to make one
with glass and try it with different columns and straight still configurations. |
This is where a smart distiller will add flavors. In the Thump.
I think I mentioned it already... Apples, oranges, hell... Pumpkin Pie spice. You can modify the flavor profile at the same time as increasing the
ABV.
For an inefficient tool it is actually very versatile. Add pure water to strip the flavor of a bad mash (lower abv as well), add white lightening to
up the ABV of a weak mash, add flavors, or just up the proof of any old mash.
Them Billies done good in my book. but to qualify I still believe Fahrenheit is real .
[Edited on 20-2-2015 by Zombie]
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It IS real, it's just not used in science. There are good reasons for that.
Fahrenheit was an excellent thermometer maker, for his time.
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
It IS real, it's just not used in science. There are good reasons for that.
Fahrenheit was an excellent thermometer maker, for his time.
[Edited on 20-2-2015 by blogfast25] |
What are the reasons? Serious.
I get the 0*C= 32*F is an easier starting point but are there other reasons?
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Unification of measurement units. Facilitates trade. The SI system. F is now only used in a few countries and a few British die-hards.
The need to convert. Thermodynamics really only works with Kelvin. K = C + 273.15. Absolute zero is 0 K. Easier to convert from C to K than from F to
K.
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 |
Unification of measurement units. Facilitates trade. The SI system. F is now only used in a few countries and a few British die-hards.
The need to convert. Thermodynamics really only works with Kelvin. K = C + 273.15. Absolute zero is 0 K. Easier to convert from C to K than from F to
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I can see that +32 ,5/9ths... Ill use the software.
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How about a billy calculator?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=calcular+large&biw=109...
How hard can it be? Take number, subtract 32. Take result, multiply by five and divide by nine!
Doh!
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I just realised that a carter head gin basket is basically like a little thumper. My flatmate wanted to make some gin so we might use a thump design
to do it on the cheap.
Will be made on neutral though, no corn based hillbilly gin for us!
| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | | Quote: Originally posted by chemrox | | I think you're all wrong about this-seriously-the thumper allows a takeoff for co-distilling water and byproducts that come off early. If you used a
fractionating still you'd get almost pure ethanol/water 95%. With a gooseneck and thumper you get a liquor. The thumper keep the liquor from being
"too flavorful." The stuff called fusel oil is made up of higher boiling alcohols. Higher boiling but not so high boiling they don't co-distill with
the ethanol/water but a lot of them drop out just after the first bend in the copper. This is where the thumper collects them. I'm going to make one
with glass and try it with different columns and straight still configurations. |
This is where a smart distiller will add flavors. In the Thump.
I think I mentioned it already... Apples, oranges, hell... Pumpkin Pie spice. You can modify the flavor profile at the same time as increasing the
ABV.
For an inefficient tool it is actually very versatile. Add pure water to strip the flavor of a bad mash (lower abv as well), add white lightening to
up the ABV of a weak mash, add flavors, or just up the proof of any old mash.
Them Billies done good in my book. but to qualify I still believe Fahrenheit is real.
[Edited on 20-2-2015 by Zombie] |
Are you going to take a video aga?
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I had one of those, and I lost it somewhere.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Luke | I just realised that a carter head gin basket is basically like a little thumper. My flatmate wanted to make some gin so we might use a thump design
to do it on the cheap.
Will be made on neutral though, no corn based hillbilly gin for us!
| Quote: Originally posted by Zombie | | Quote: Originally posted by chemrox | | I think you're all wrong about this-seriously-the thumper allows a takeoff for co-distilling water and byproducts that come off early. If you used a
fractionating still you'd get almost pure ethanol/water 95%. With a gooseneck and thumper you get a liquor. The thumper keep the liquor from being
"too flavorful." The stuff called fusel oil is made up of higher boiling alcohols. Higher boiling but not so high boiling they don't co-distill with
the ethanol/water but a lot of them drop out just after the first bend in the copper. This is where the thumper collects them. I'm going to make one
with glass and try it with different columns and straight still configurations. |
This is where a smart distiller will add flavors. In the Thump.
I think I mentioned it already... Apples, oranges, hell... Pumpkin Pie spice. You can modify the flavor profile at the same time as increasing the
ABV.
For an inefficient tool it is actually very versatile. Add pure water to strip the flavor of a bad mash (lower abv as well), add white lightening to
up the ABV of a weak mash, add flavors, or just up the proof of any old mash.
Them Billies done good in my book. but to qualify I still believe Fahrenheit is real.
[Edited on 20-2-2015 by Zombie] |
Are you going to take a video aga? |
A Carter head is a thumper. Exact same principle. You will have a huge advantage in using a thump as a gin basket because of the boost in ABV, and the
fact that you will not have to clean juniper oils out of your still.
Half the size of the boiler, and half full of liquid. Simple rule.
Edit:
Corn Gin doesn't even sound right.
What you might want to try is adding peeled cucumber to the gin basket, along with your other products. It really is GOOD!
[Edited on 20-2-2015 by Zombie]
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