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[*] posted on 5-6-2011 at 05:15


Quote: Originally posted by entropy51  
I agree that things have gotten out of hand in terms of regulation, but offhand I can think of a few reasons that people at large have become terrified of chemicals. A short list of them:

Times Beach

Seveso

Minamata

Bhopal

Love Canal

Spring Valley

All this has not a little to do with fear of chemicals. Chemophobia is not a completely irrational response to these types of events.


You missed Bari — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Raid_on_Bari

I would mention in passing the two most dangerous chemicals on this planet - responsible
for untold millions of deaths each and every year are — sucrose and ethanol.

Noted in passing - "Since December, 2006 some 40,000
people in Mexico have died due to the [drug] cartel violence."

Wall Street Journal 4-5 June 2011.


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[*] posted on 25-6-2011 at 00:56


I know there are several tech people on this forum but for those who arn't aware there is a very active group of hackers right now. They recently leaked several documents, some classified, from the Arizona state police department in retribution for the draconian immigration laws. One of the leaked documents that is unclassified was a USAF report on bath salt drugs, claiming that these chemicals are sold as bath salts for the purpose of being used as drugs, and that this is a method of avoiding law enforcement. This document is probably available elsewhere but this is how I came to hear about it. If people would like to read it they can U2U me.



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[*] posted on 25-6-2011 at 04:34



In my neck of the woods, 'bath salts', 'plant food' etc was being openly sold in head shops. You purchased and smoked, snorted, injected or whatever so they were prohibited. The original artical at top of thread is referring to FAKE bath salts. (same racket I guess).
Would not do if you got your bits shrunk/damaged by taking a bath WOULD IT?

The peope that had the biggest problem with the whole racket wher the 'legit' drug sellers. There business was taking a serious hit. They were causing some of the headshop premised to spontanouly ignite in the dead of night. (as a community service).
Perhaps if one were to manufacture a 'duck pond' under the whole lot.............. (snigger)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFCIXHaXgyI

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[*] posted on 1-7-2011 at 02:04


Well look on the bright side, maybe the unending search (and it will never end as long as they outlaw drugs) for new analogues will turn up something that's actually better. Some would argue it already has.

I don't see how anyone in law enforcement (or legislation for that matter) can actually think its a sustainable practice to outlaw every new drug that puts one dumbass in the hospital.. The potential for huge profits facilitated by the global economy and internet has been realized by entrepreneurs worldwide. The exploration of legal analogues is just beginning. No amount of reactionary legislation is going to slow it down. In fact it will speed it up. Unfortunately the lack of methodical testing of new analogues has and will continue to result in casualties... But people don't need the government to tell them which drugs might kill them. The figure it out on their own real quick with the internet at their fingertips. If the well known and relatively "safe" drugs were legal, nobody would be selling obscure untested analogues to teenagers in head shops.. Hmm.. I lose a little more faith in humanity every time I think about this.

And if MDPV (and others) are such a shitty drugs, why are they getting so popular so quick (even before the media coverage)? Almost like there's people out there who's very profitable businesses are threatened by it (as dann2 said above)... Ever wonder if they figured out how to use the profits of their $350billion/year industry to exert a little influence on the media?

I can only hope that eventually the greater population realizes the inevitable and ongoing catastrophic failure of drug policy and decide to change it in the direction of harming fewer people (with correspondingly lower profits for some) rather than take it to even more extreme versions of the current system.. I'm afraid it'll be a long long time without an effective publicity countercampaign to discredit the one that's currently in place.. But how often do you see a group of people with few resources and little to personally gain outpublicize a group of people with huge resources and billions to gain? I'm not getting my hopes up too high.
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[*] posted on 1-7-2011 at 19:06


may as well just give up on humanity. until stupidity is forcibly outlawed, people will continue to do their 9 to 5, go home, drool on themselves while watching the kardashians, and allow the television to do their thinking for them. and why shouldn't they? complacency is so much easier than free thought once one has become accustomed to it. those of us who cannot accept this fate are in the staggering minority.



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[*] posted on 2-7-2011 at 05:33


Couldn't have said it better... It seems to me that this is all a part of the range of side effects of our previously evolutionarily useful but now self destructive self interest and greed. The world culture and psyche are continuously pushed in the direction of being the most profitable which is usually in the opposite direction of more people living happier lives. And with such new and effective ways of influencing the population implemented by a fewer and fewer number of powerful people, the trend can only accelerate. It seems the only possible way to reverse it would be a use of that very same technology that allows a few to powerfully influence many in a creative way. We need more people working on that... I wonder if a "religion" or more like philosophy/belief system could be crafted in a way the spread virally via the internet (as we've seen much less powerfully influential ideas spread so very rapidly?

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[*] posted on 7-7-2011 at 07:32


i think the whole point of this can be summed in one word, louisiana.
they incarcerate more people per capita than anywhere else in the world.
the problem could be solved by damning up the mouth of the missippii river until the whole state is underwater.

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[*] posted on 21-1-2012 at 10:15
Life-threatening Necrotizing Fasciitis Due to ‘Bath Salts’ Injection


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The use of street drugs known as "bath salts" can lead to flesh-eating
disease, a new study warns. It describes the first known case of
necrotizing fasciitis caused by an intramuscular injection of bath
salts.

So-called bath salts are sold as synthetic powders that "often contain
various amphetamine-like chemicals," according to the United States
National Institute on Drug Abuse, which in February [2011] warned that
injections might cause the ravaging skin condition.

Study authors Dr Russell R Russo, a third-year orthopedic surgery
resident at the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center New
Orleans School of Medicine, and colleagues, saw the effects firsthand.
They treated a 34 year old woman who developed forearm pain and
redness after she attended a party. She had no other symptoms but did
have a small red puncture wound on her arm. The woman eventually
admitted that she injected bath salts two days before her symptoms
began.

The doctors reexamined her and determined that she had necrotizing
fasciitis. The disease progressed so rapidly that the doctors had to
amputate the woman's arm, shoulder, and collarbone and perform a
radical mastectomy. The woman later underwent skin grafting and
rehabilitation.

The study was published in the January issue of the journal
Orthopedics [Russo R, Marks N, Morris K, et al. Life-threatening
necrotizing fasciitis due to "bath salts" injection. Orthopedics
2012;35(1):124. Available at
<http://www.orthosupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=91162>].

"Despite the drug's legal status, it must be treated as illicit, and
one must be suspicious when examining a patient with this clinical
history because the diagnosis of flesh-eating bacteria can masquerade as abscesses and cellulitis," the authors said in a journal news release.

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[The article described in the above news release is said to be the
first report of necrotizing fasciitis and myonecrosis from
intramuscular injection of bath salts [Russo R, Marks N, Morris K, et
al. Life-threatening necrotizing fasciitis due to "bath salts"
injection. Orthopedics 2012;35(1):124. Available at
<http://www.orthosupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=91162>]. The patient in the report described injecting "bath salts" intramuscularly (because she could not obtain intravascular access) 2 nights prior to developing symptoms of increasing right forearm pain and erythema. She initially had 1 small red puncture wound at the injection site and rapidly developed skin sloughing around the injection site with a malodorous drainage. Necrotic tissue, including non-contractile muscle, was extensively debrided at surgery. Bacterial isolates from this patient were reported to be a mixture of aerobes and anaerobes, namely the aerobes, alpha hemolytic _Streptococcus_, _Streptococcus viridans_, and the anaerobes, _Gemella morbillorum_, _Peptostreptococcus micros_ and _Actinomyces odontolyticus_.

Necrotizing fasciitis, also called "flesh-eating disease" is a rapidly
progressive bacterial infection that destroys the soft tissues
covering muscle (fascia). Patients usually complain of intense pain in
the involved region that initially may seem out of proportion to the
external appearance of the overlying skin. Aggressive surgical
debridement of all necrotic tissue and administration of antibiotics
are necessary. However, surgical intervention is often delayed after hospital admission, because these infections can be difficult to recognize in their early stages, and deep muscle necrosis may not be appreciated early on. The commonest type of bacteria causing necrotizing fasciitis is _Streptococcus pyogenes_ (group A
streptococcus), but fungi (such as mucor) and other bacteria (such as _Staphylococcus aureus_, _Vibro vulnificus_ and mixtures of multiple aerobic and anaerobic bacterial species can cause necrotizing fasciitis.

A variety of infections, including anthrax, tetanus, botulism,
clostridial gas gangrene, necrotizing fasciitis and myonecrosis, can
follow injection of illicit drugs. If the injected material contains
anything that could cause vasoconstriction (such as epinephrine), it would set up anaerobic conditions that would enhance the risk of
disease with obligate anaerobes.

"Bath salts" contain a variety of drugs that have central nervous
system stimulatory effects. These drugs include methylenedioxy
pyrovalerone (MDPV), mephedrone (methylmethcathinone, also known as M-Cat, Meow, 4-MMC, or Bubbles), and methylone
(methylenedioxymethcathinone, also known as bk-MDMA, M1, or Explosion) (<http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20110908/bath-salts-used-to-get-high-are-now-illegal>;).

Mephedrone and methylone are synthetic chemical derivatives of the
psychedelic herb khat. These drugs can cause agitation, paranoia,
hallucinations, anorexia, anxiety, insomnia, or muscle tremors. These
drugs were made Schedule I substances in the United States in
September 2011 (<http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20110908/bath-salts-used-to-get-high-are-now-illegal>;); schedule I by definition have no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and, therefore, may not be prescribed, administered, or dispensed for medical use
(<http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/>;). "Bath salts" can be snorted, smoked, or injected.

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[*] posted on 21-1-2012 at 12:03


For anyone that knows about the city of Los Angeles and the surrounding area, the real problem is not chemicals. Perhaps they should focus on the root causes of their high crime rates and widespread drug abuse, rather than blaming it on chemicals.
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[*] posted on 22-1-2012 at 06:59


I lived in LA for 22 yrs: I know a bit about what goes on there. Just off Alpine in what people used to call China Town; downtown and S.E. LA is perhaps one of the more serious places to live (alone with N. Denver, Various areas of Chicago, & Detroit). I had family in LA - that was the only reason I ever had for being there. I know a bit about Norwalk, Compton, El Monte & Hawaiian Gardens.



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[*] posted on 5-3-2012 at 14:21


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22191803/

What now???




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[*] posted on 5-3-2012 at 14:25


Quote: Originally posted by 497  
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22191803/

What now???


SO:
Is the media blatantly spreading false tales of death & destruction from this?

Or

Is the death and OD'ing caused by impurities?

I've heard nothing but negativity about bath salts.




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[*] posted on 5-3-2012 at 15:02


Why should the media provide anything else? It is in the coke/meth cartels (governments included) interest to stop the spread of replacements for their cash cows. Nothing to do with science. The dumbasses don't seem to realize that even negative publicity will popularize the things they're trying to stop. Thus it is inevitable.

As I said before, almost any drug will harm if heavily abused in the same mindset as one abuses coke/meth. The whole point is self destruction for many. The fact that a substance has caused anecdotal harm and deaths says almost nothing about its true safety characteristics.

People are fully able to convince themselves they have sustained harm from a drug experience. Does that mean physical damage actually occurred because they say it feels like it? The placebo effect is powerful, and if conventional wisdom is that a substance is harmful, why should anecdotal evidence indicate the reality?

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[*] posted on 18-6-2012 at 11:36


Just out of curiosity does anyone have access to a mass spec or other device capable of analyzing exactly what is in this stuff? would be interesting to know what the composition is and its mechanism of action
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[*] posted on 18-6-2012 at 13:17


Quote: Originally posted by Farmerjohn  
Just out of curiosity does anyone have access to a mass spec or other device capable of analyzing exactly what is in this stuff? would be interesting to know what the composition is and its mechanism of action



Quote:

It is supposedly active at 3–5 mg, with typical doses ranging between 5–20 mg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone


People probably treat it like cocaine, measure out a dose of 100-200mg and end up in hospital. That would be my guess of why it's so harmful.
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[*] posted on 23-6-2012 at 19:44


Oct. 21 2011:
SUMMARY: The Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is issuing this final order to temporarily schedule three synthetic cathinones under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) pursuant to the temporary scheduling provisions of 21 U.S.C. 811(h). The substances are 4-methyl-N-methylcathinone (mephedrone), 3,4-methylenedioxy-N- methylcathinone (methylone), and 3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV). This action is based on a finding by the Administrator that the placement of these synthetic cathinones and their salts, isomers, and salts of isomers into Schedule I of the CSA is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety. As a result of this order, the full effect of the CSA and its implementing regulations including criminal, civil and administrative penalties, sanctions and regulatory controls of Schedule I substances will be imposed on the manufacture, distribution, possession, importation, and exportation of these synthetic cathinones.

That's been effective eh? Maybe what is sold now is some variant of these. I have few problems with people taking and in many cases selling drugs, but the headshop/convenience store owners and their distributors causing all the problems ought to be held accountable...I don't see them as any less slimy than Sandusky...they give drugs a bad name...

Follow up on not-bath salts:
Quote: Originally posted by S.C. Wack  
For example Bouncing Bear Botanicals only got in trouble last year from their physical store's K2, not from their massive internet sales of mescaline, lysergamides, and DMT in plant form. They had the owner on all the charges you'd expect, then let him go, till 4 months ago they refiled. He's in deep shit now


Unbelievably:
Friday, December 30th, 2011
Charges dropped in Bouncing Bears case

by Dennis Sharkey

Charges against a Lawrence businessman for the alleged distribution of illegal substances have been dropped.

It’s the second time that Jonathan Sloan has avoided prosecution after it appeared he was headed for trial.

Jefferson County Prosecutor Jason Belveal said that Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt’s office pulled the plug on the case because of issues with the federal search warrants in the case.

Sloan was first arrested on Feb. 4, 2010, after a warehouse that he owned a few miles south of Oskaloosa on U.S. 59 Highway was raided along with the Sacred Journey store in Lawrence. He was accused of supplying Sacred Journey with the now illegal marijuana-like substance K-2.

Thousands of cactus plants and 20 Colorado River toads and more than $700,000 was seized. The investigation and raids were a collaboration of the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department, Kansas Bureau of Investigation and the Federal Food and Drug Administration.

In April 2010, former Jefferson County Prosecutor Caleb Stegall dropped the charges against Sloan but said he anticipated that charges would be refiled.

Stegall left his position as county prosecutor in January but refiled the charges against Sloan a week before leaving to take a position with Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration.

In addition, charges were also filed against Clark Sloan, Olathe and Jonathan’s father, and a Bouncing Bears Botanicals employee Brad Miller, Lawrence.

More than 20 charges were filed against all three men.

All three were set for trial next month. Schmidt’s office took over prosecution of the case earlier this year. Belveal said prosecutors did leave the door open for charges to be filed again in the future.




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[*] posted on 1-9-2012 at 17:12


"bath salts" are also banned in Florida due to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgsNmty5llc&feature=youtu...

OK, now I have had my share of drug experiences. Many different drugs at a range of dosages and run the gambit in ROA's. Having said that, I have nwver been so high that I wanted to eat a homeless person, or anybody for that matter. Sounds like "bath salts" is some pretty trippy shit............or the equivalent of the T-virus from Resident Evil
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[*] posted on 2-9-2012 at 15:43


i was told bouncing bear got into trouble for advertising or mentioning that the toads could be licked for a trippy effect. alot of dmt is gotten from tannins and the roots are advertised for such.
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In case anyone is interested, some of the laws outlawing "bath salts" go on to say "and any other substance that can be used to produce dangerous drugs" To me that seems overly broad and gives the authorities the power to arrest people for just about anything. The drug war is pushed by politicians and by yellow journalism, and the result is more government and less freedom for the citizens. Nanny state? More like police state. And as for politicians voting for their constituents, it depends how much money you put into their super PACs. I dont recall any politicians recently that would not eat up the police issued propaganda and use it against us citizens for our own safety. When you allow police to influence the making of laws a police state is inevitable.
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I see a ban in coming in for all 'legal highs' in the uk. Very sad day indeed. Where am I going to get my bath salts now
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[*] posted on 2-6-2015 at 01:51


Well, cannabis really is a gateway drug ─ it leaves the user open to dangerous tobacco addiction!?! :o :( :mad:

Some prohibitionist fuck actually said as much on some antidrug site . . .


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[*] posted on 2-6-2015 at 02:15


I smoked pot before I smoked cigarettes. I only started smoking cigarettes because my pot smoking friends did.

What say now brown cow?




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I read all you nice storries about how you love drugs and other stuff, but for some reason most of the people are against something like MDMA, LSD, etc. Even when somebody smokes pot, he might not appreciate someone's desire to try something different.
I'd say the pot is barely usefull for understanding your problems and yourself, it's rather a regular medications capable of some minimal psychoactive function.
Some they've banned bath salts. Who cares? More important drugs are still banned - this is the issue of the day.
Chinese will make thousands of new research drugs that are not banned and their action on human is either unknown or close to unknown.
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[*] posted on 2-6-2015 at 07:51


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Chinese will make thousands of new research drugs that are not banned and their action on human is either unknown or close to unknown.


Yeah, 'cos the Chinese are barbarians'. :(





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[*] posted on 2-6-2015 at 13:59


They eat babies... Barbarians, not Chinese.

I might have given the wrong impression byko3y . I Don't like drugs or drug abusers. I Have tried a pretty diverse spectrum of drugs, some better than others but I never got into that recreational "clique" of folks that use drugs like amusement park tickets.

I personally think I know what my life long issues are but I'm not sure what to call it. I get PISSED OFF when I see people acting like they are the only person that matters.
What would you call that?

I have tried drugs to see if anything would either give me an insight into why I feel the way I do (psychedelics) so I can repair or at least tolerate the issue, or the ones that make that feeling stop (sedative types).

When I see full time pot smokers I see lazy f'rs that again are just out for themselves. I generalize a LOT but for the most part...
My mom smoked pot but she was dying so I guess that's a pass. SOME people with "weed cards" are legit but I'm sure you could list them by name in an hour. Probably under a thousand registered users might be legit.

Banning all the legal highs is a GREAT move because like you said, the China/India/German/American/British/Canadian/ALL of them are pumping out synthetic drugs as fast as they can be banned. 4Meo DMT? Perfectly legal. $100.00 a gram Funny it has the same street price as cocaine or meth... It's supposed to be synthetic psilocin. What is it??? I don't know. Who cares, it gets you high. So does strychnine, and lack of oxygen.

Ban all that crap. Force people to find legit ways to deal w/ their issues. If you can't afford to see the best doctors on the planet... Fight! Find another way to cope.

My method of coping should be obvious to all of you. I post on four forums. One here, one motorcycle, one scooter, and one distillation. That's not enough so I run two businesses, One building boats, and one repairing engines. Not enough so I am developing two more businesses. One is a fuel distillation column, and the other is a sail powered sport boat. Not enough... 700lbs of Presa Canario dogs to take care of. Still not enough... Build a lab. Build race scooters, build a chopper, Add a rear porch to the house because for the lab to be legal I needed a second exit. Find a reason for black holes. find a reason for people to have the mental issues they do...
I'm f'n tired bro but I'm coping.

Ban all the get highs, and work on fixing people. That only makes sense.




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